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I'd be happy to discuss with someone who is genuinely open to debate and test the subject of luck, however my suspicion is that it's only you here who could even semi legitimately hold the position of no luck in chess.
Nice try. Appeals to ego like this would work on an Optimissed or ibrust. I was serious though, I have no intention of spending hours and hours going back through the same steps that have been repeated several times before in this thread, they all ended in the same impasse and this time would be no different.
There was no appeal to ego there, I just actually don't see any users on the no luck side that participate in a productive way. Me asking you methodical questions is also making sure our premises about relationship of luck and skill in practice are shared. That way I could build a proof of my side based on shared premises. I can do it without asking any questions, but that means I have to deal with you questioning the premises afterwards. When I have time I'll give you a logically sound argument where luck and skill are on the same spectrum, that holds in chess and anywhere else. We can continue that way.
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I'd be happy to discuss with someone who is genuinely open to debate and test the subject of luck, however my suspicion is that it's only you here who could even semi legitimately hold the position of no luck in chess.
Nice try. Appeals to ego like this would work on an Optimissed or ibrust. I was serious though, I have no intention of spending hours and hours going back through the same steps that have been repeated several times before in this thread, they all ended in the same impasse and this time would be no different.