Did the entire policy change? I signed up on 2012 and I still had the automatic system draw feature! You didn't have to press the stupid draw button!
Isn't it rude to offer a draw when you are losing?
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micberu,
I made the offer at that point prior to the three-fold repetition before I even made my move so it was still my move. The system read, "newengland7 has offered a draw".
This is why OTB states that one can claim a draw prior to completing their move. The internet should therefore allow one to claim a draw even long after the repetition is seen. Therefore, I should not have lost my right to offer my opponent a draw. If you disagree with me, you are my enemy.
Oct 17, 2015
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#64
@newengland7
Are you saying the position after 45..Qb7 is prior to three-fold repetition?
I disagree. I believe that position is the same as the position after both 41..Qb7 and 43..Qb7. When you made the offer at that point the game should have ended with a draw, not because a position was about to appear for at least a third time, but because a position had just appeared for at least a third time.
You say the internet should allow one to claim a draw long after a repetition is seen?
I disagree. I believe the FIDE Laws of Chess should dictate when one is able to claim a draw.
I guess I am your enemy. Good day.
So the internet is allowed to have rules that disagree with FIDE where it makes sense for the internet but not in general? I showed this game to staff and staff agrees with me.
Apparently, it only let me offer the draw because I had not made the move yet.
I should mention, micberu, that the REASON FIDE has that rule about being able to claim your draw BEFORE you make the move that results in the repetition, is so that scandals like these don't happen where a player can avoid having to accept the draw. HAD the system followed the rules of FIDE, I would have had my draw and we would not be having this discussion. IF you disagree that I did not press the draw button at the right time than you are SLANDERING me!!! IF you agree with me, then we can be cool but as of right now, you have done nothing but slander me and make false accusations about what went on. IF the internet followed FIDE rules, the game would have ended in a draw as SOON as I clicked the draw button as it was prior to MY making my move that resulted in three-fold repetition that I did this. As I had already CLICKED the draw button PRIOR to my making my move that resulted in the three-fold repetition, I SHOULD NOT have lost my privilege to claim the draw even post-move 47!!! IF you disagree with me, YOU ARE WICKED AND STUPID AND LACK COMMON SENSE!!!
DO NOT DEFEND THE DRAW FEATURE ON THIS SITE JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE PLAYING CHESS HERE!!! Understand? Capiche? If you are smart, you will agree with me. If you are dumb and stupid and incompetent, you will continue to try and make excuses for why my game which was a draw prevented me from claiming a draw. I do not believe you are dumb which is why YOU WILL agree with me AND staff as STAFF agrees with me!!!
Oct 17, 2015
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#67
I agree with you; after 45..Qb7 you should have been able to claim a draw.
If you could not claim a draw because you had not made a move yet then there is a problem with the way the laws of chess are implement in the programming. This has naught to do with the internet having it's own rules.
FIDE laws require players to make the claim during their own turn so that they use their own clock time to determine if a position has appeared three times or not. If an intended move is the basis for a claim players write down that move so that, in case of an incorrect claim, that move is played, time is added to their opponent's clocks, and the game goes on.
I don't agree that you should have been able to claim a draw after 47..Kd6; that is not a position that had appeared at least twice before.
micberu,
I think you should agree with me that I had a right to claim draw after 47. ... Kd6 because my right to claim a draw was stripped away on move 45 so that right had to be restored some where. Therefore, I should have maintained my right to claim a draw as I clicked the draw button prior to the three-fold repetition before I completed my move.
Reb wrote:
Well , in otb chess its against the rules and you can call the TD over and have him stop it . In online its distracting and if you respond in any way it costs you time on the clock . It would be easy for any competent programmer to write code to put a stop to this particular annoyance if they so desired . Obviously they don't so desire .
No offense, but if you find it distracting, then you should just ignore them.
When you play a move they go away
Oct 17, 2015
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#70
newengland7 wrote:
micberu,
I think you should agree with me that I had a right to claim draw after 47. ... Kd6 because my right to claim a draw was stripped away on move 45 so that right had to be restored some where. Therefore, I should have maintained my right to claim a draw as I clicked the draw button prior to the three-fold repetition before I completed my move.
If you ever get into that situation again, you can keep repeating up to five times and it will force a draw I believe.
Oct 17, 2015
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#71
It definitely depends. I played a game recently in which both my opponent and I were low on time and the position seemed equal to me. The game had been interesting and tense and I didn't want it to be decided by one of us running out of time. I expressed that to my opponent in the chat and he/she agreed and accepted my offered draw. Later I analysed the game with an engine and found that they had a tactic available which I couldn't prevent, winning a pawn. They could have undoubtedly simplified and won from there if they had found the move. I think maybe this is a reasonable example of when offering a draw in a lost position isn't rude:
1. Whether correctly or incorrectly, you truly believe you have reasonable chances (excluding luck-based hope).
2. When your opponent might also prefer to have a game be decided by something other than time, as was my case.
Obviously just because it might not be rude in those circumstances doesn't mean your opponent will accept -- you should be prepared for them to disagree and play on either way. It would definitely be rude if you repeatedly offered after a decline though, or if you knew a loss was inevitable.
Oct 18, 2015
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#72
SmyslovFan skrev:
The rule regarding writing down the move is obviated in online chess. Simply pushing the "draw" button is sufficient. There's no need to record the move in online chess since the site automatically records the correct move for us.
I think it would be great if the site recorded the draw offer. if you analysis the game afterwards you can see if you should have taken the draw or not.
no its rude when someone offers you a draw then you end the game by repetition while declining the draw
SmyslovFan wrote:
The site doesn't need a claim draw button as long as the draw offer button functions as a draw claim button. In fact, if the draw offer button were to change to a draw claim button after 50 moves or a 3-fold repetition, it would amount to outside assistance to the player!
In other words, the site has it right. There should be a single "Draw" button that functions as a draw offer button unless there's a draw on the board. Then it becomes a Draw Claim button.
The one time I can see repeated draw offers being acceptable is when the players are low on time and miss the other's draw offer. Perhaps in blitz/bullet, a draw offer could stand for 2-3 moves when the clocks are under 10 seconds?
There is already outside assistance to players , you cant " forget " to hit your clock is one and you also cannot make illegal moves ( and suffer consequences for doing so ) is another . 
kingomegared wrote:
I find that when i play on my phone (99% of the time) and somoene offers a draw it takes a few seconds to decline or you may accept by mistake if you are playing a fast game. This is a shameless tactic that should at least be address in the chess app as it can cause people to draw games they are winning
Is it a good idea for you to play on your phone?
I've never played a live game on my tablet but will at some point.
Win or lose I know I'll get over it..
Oct 18, 2015
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#76
I like the idea of the site recording draw offers. It may end up being more work for staff though when players are reported for repeated draw offers.
Yeah, but I don't think that repeated draw offers need to be reported, as there's plenty you can do to deal with it yourself, and there are much more serious issues here anyway, such as cheating.
Oct 18, 2015
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#79
If player A is down a couple pawns but has compensation in some other form then I think he is perfectly within his rights to ask player B for a draw. However, I think it does become "unsportsmanlike" when player A is clearly losing, say a full knight and bishop down and very little compensation.
Having said that, I know there are some diehard chess players out there who will play to the death no matter what and make their opponent checkmate them. Its a fine line I think.
What will happen when i quit a group while playing a team match in it?
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