Ivanov speaks out!

Except for Ivanov, he won ten in a row!

If Ivanov was cheating and i have to say if for a reason.  If - Then. Well here comes the big one. Then we have to check everybody that was in that room as they may also be in on it. Ever seen how pick pockets take things off suspecting victims. Same could be said here as they removed the device he used and they walked away before he was checked.

Remove all the impossible and we are left with the anwser. He cheated with help from maybe 1-2 people. I have to bring up what was his motive? As it is real obvious he did cheat. Now just distracting us from what we should be talking about here. What did he or somebody else gain from this event?

Petition against cheating:

http://www.chessprofessionals.org/node/369

Polar_Bear wrote:

Petition against cheating:

http://www.chessprofessionals.org/node/369

I was hoping to see Ivanov on the list of petitioners...

They have computers for stats at professional games. Why not during chess games. By time they make 20 consecutive moves that are similar to an engine that should be more than enough. Take the first 20 moves in the game. What are the directors doing these games ....eating popcorn. How hard could it be to pull out 2-3 computers with different engines. If more run them at different strengths.

Have another compare to his most recent games. Better if was the same opening he used previously.

Hey have the guys enter a dressing room and leave all their belongings and wear a uniform for playing chess with their name on it. Increase the chance they could not cheat.

Thank you.

But why now? He is a chess player and figure that would be the conclusion. Must be a little more than that here.

Why take the risk? Which means it might be a high reward. What? Is their another engine coming out and he was testing it for person whom will later sell it. In which case he gets some of the profits. Not impossible.

The person who helped him? That site where he played has become more popular. Negative association but will not stop players coming to play at that site. If they are rewarded with more sophisticated methods of detecting cheating they will be more popular and have more players enter next time. Motive? 

yeah right....like in a prison camp.

Metal detectors should be sufficient. Most electronic devices contain metal.

They have uniforms in Football, Baseball, Hockey, Boxing, Golf, Swimming, Tennis, Horse Racing and etc. Ok maybe not uniforms but a type of clothing. I suggest they wear T's and shorts. Makes it real easy to check and double check with an electronic device as they could have implants.

Well they have glasses that stop one from having to see certain rays of light. Well they must have glasses that allow you to see some. I figure now they have made a way to replace them with lenses to place on the eyes.

Have to add another thing as a motive. Fear.

If he gets away with this it will add fear as a factor. Now think about it this carefully. A twist to this. Say a player loses a game to an opponent they now have the option to say they cheated them. Say this happened in the first round to you in a tournament. Ok they find out proof it was a false accusation. But during that time you were outraged and spent some of your energy that should have been used for the tournament. Even if it is 1% (That is a still giving away an advantage). Sure at the same time your next opponent will have knowledge of the game and look over your strategy. And during the game give you that look like your cheating. If they time it right during a complicated situation .......???

The question i have to ask if your opponent places you in a situation where the opening in game you played previously you were accused of cheating. Would you play it again?

Yo people! I just don't get it, why do you insist on proving he is guilty or not. The real question is how did he do it? Just an elementary example. I'm a grade 3 student bragging to my classmate that I was able to defeat the pokemon league with only Magikarp as my pokemon.

I said: Oh yeah look, I have the ribbon saying I defeated the pokemon league in my trainer card.
Him: That's imposibble! With only MAgikarp??
Me:Look at my pokemon party list, only MAgikarp!
Him: Okay then show me, defeat them again in front of me.
Me: Sorry my mom's calling need to go k thx bye.... 
Same with Ivanov, if you can't show us how he did it, we can't believe. And stop with the engine matchup thing. You can't prove someone is guilty with performance. BTW I'm not defending Ivanov, just saying that these evidences are not enough for some people. And before you become stupid saying "you don't believe in the evidence because you are a moron you just don't get it because you have a small brain." think first what "open-mindedness" is.

Yes I will of course, as long as I know I did not cheat.

Ahhh i figure you say that but .....

Did you take into consideration that your next couple of opponents will have plenty of time to know the line you played in that game. And time find lines to counter it. When you realize it ...... you have to wonder how much he/she remembers and do you stay on it. Tic tic tic, time wasted which you may need later. The Fear Factor comes into play again.

That fear stuff happened here in Vote Chess.

Motive? The only incentive needed is money. If a chess player can successfully use an engine ( and thereby become unbeatable), and not be exposed as a fraud...think about the financial opportunities. Why do you think Carlsen is making $3 million a year? Because he is the strongest chess player on the planet. We are talking about financial fees for invitations to join tournaments, prize money, endorsements, commercials, book deals, appearances etc. The winner of the WCC takes home about $2 million for that one appearance. Lance Dopestrong did not cheat because he wanted to scare anyone...he commited fraud to make about $80 million per year...yes, it's not about the bike...it's about the greenback.

I haven't posted here for a while, the things I take away from this thread are this:

1. FIDE needs to change the rules so they could stop this much more pro-actively while it happens
2. FIDE needs to change the rules so they can prevent this more easily
3. I would not want to be Ivanov placed in a dark room with you lot 

Thanks, this is really interesting. And it was the goal of this thread, instead of just trolling and laughing, about a topic which could end chess OTB, at least someone tries to do something about it.

However, I didn't sign there, because they speak of chess professionals, and I guess that is for titled player or coaches right?

Quote: "chess professionals and regular competitors in FIDE rated events"

If you play FIDE tournaments you could sign it if you wish to do so. I doubt it is really neccesary, FIDE has as much to lose as the players here.

Unfortunately I don't have a FIDE rating, I just played in local tournaments. I believe I remember the FIDE rated were like Open and for above 1800. But I hope to play in a FIDE tournament one day.