kavanam wrote:
Lets see if Carlsen can survive the Candidates match or quit in the middle?!
Carlsen will survive. And win.
KASPAROV VS CARLSEN WHO CAN DESTROY THE OTHER ??
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Estragon wrote:
kavanam wrote:
Kaspy will DESTROY him in a match. It will be like an Alekhine vs. Capablanca Match !
Nonsense!
Kasparov hasn't played a rated game in over five years, and most of his time and efforts have been spent on Russian politics, not chess. He would need probably 20 or more classical games against top opponents to play himself back into shape to face
Carlsen in a match.
That would make it close. But Carlsen is the very worst opponent for Kasparov's style, which tended to steamroll others. He's like Karpov but more accurate and tenacious. And when you get into the "more accurate than Karpov" area, the air is pretty thin.
Obviously Kasparov has the edge in match experience, having been party to some of the greatest championship matches of all time. But Carlsen has never shown the susceptibility to pressure, he loves the game and thinks about it constantly but is able to go play soccer or model for a photo shoot without disrupting his routine. Has he ever shown a weakness of nerve? The kid plays like a rock monster.
Kasparov dominated chess at his best, but remember that if you gave Karpov back one move per match, their lifetime results might have been quite different. And who doubts Carlsen could beat Karpov?
You probably try to point out the opening stage? :)
If yes, then it would be really interesting to see many different things. Kaspy knew he can beat Karpov in that stage of a game. And he prepared himself so. If Karpov were Carlsen, Kasparov would try different tactic I suppose.
Carlsen is actually a robot, while Kasparov is merely a politician, which is like a robot only without the metal chassis and laser claws. Therefore, Carlsen would crush Kasparov in seconds using his magnetic powered nuclear fission collider cannon.
Good points, Estragon. Carlsen is exactly Kasparov's worst nightmare, and I think that Carlsen is the one person Kasparov wouldn't still be able to consistently dominate if he really cared about chess again and was willing to put in the time to dust off the cobwebs and get back into top form.
Although it's possible that age might have affected Kasparov enough that he doesn't stand a chance against top players anymore, even with lots of preparation and a renewed passion for the game. On that topic, I think it's interesting to note that Carlsen's style is exactly the sort of style that should age well, and could potentially keep him at the top for a very long time to come. A style like Kasparov, that is heavily focued on theory and very complex, dynamic positions is much more susceptible to age-related problems. A more positional style like Carlsen's that isn't big on theory is exactly the sort of style that could still be played well by somebody in their 40s and older.
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kavanam wrote:
Remember, the Champions in the NON-COMPUTER ERA are the best of the lot!
So I have the right to consider the computer era world champions as the DUMMY GREATS
well put! Exallent thot ryt there :)
Feb 13, 2013
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kavanam wrote:
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I have the right to consider the computer era world champions as the DUMMY GREATS
People have the right to consider all sorts of erroneous ideas.
onthehouse wrote:
kavanam wrote:
Lets see if Carlsen can survive the Candidates match or quit in the middle?!
Carlsen will survive. And win.
My best guess!
The problem with Kasparov is his lost Championship match against Kramnik!
Carlsen is even worse than Kramnik! Carlsen can completely surprise Kasparov at the opening. You never know what Carlsen will chose in a match! That out-prepares Kasparov at all. The most strength of Kasparov was his preparation on his opponents.
And years passed by. So Kasparov isn't at his prime any more. Clear advantage to Carlsen. Kasparaov would lose to Anand in a match now! 
varelse1 wrote:
Who is Kasparov???
You are joking?
Feb 14, 2013
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Estragon wrote:
Moses2792796 wrote:
Estragon wrote:
...who doubts Carlsen could beat Karpov?
Over here! Carlsen may or may not be slightly more accurate than Karpov, but there is no way Carlsen could get plus score against Karpov at his best without improving his opening play. You simply cannot consistently get nothing out of the opening and expect to score wins against a player of Karpov's ability.
Note that Carlsen is already 200 points higher than anyone Karpov had to play in his prime except Kasparov, and 100 point higher than Kasparov was at the time he was beating Karpov.
I think even Karpov would find the proposition that he could beat Carlsen a very shaky one.
Carlsen 200 points ahead of Fischer? Are you kidding or bad in calculation? 2865 and 2785 are less than 100 points. (With inclusion of inflation Fischer would even been ahead of Carlsen ... But this is an other theme.) 
Feb 14, 2013
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#75
Uhhh, Fischer never played Karpov. Last I heard, Fischer ran like a little schoolgirl.
varelse1 wrote:
Uhhh, Fischer never played Karpov. Last I heard, Fischer ran like a little schoolgirl.
My God! Fischer had his reasons (and I think he was right)! 
(What ever you think of Fischer without him chess would not be where it is now. And I never heard talking about each Chess World Championship game on the radio before and after Fischer! *big smile*)
But it was only an example for saying all players above 2665 are/were in a range less than 200 points difference to Carlsen!
PS: At the 1984/5 WCC Fischer's request (draws do not count) was nearly fullfilled (6-5 for the winner instead of Fischer's request at 9-9 he will keep the champion's title - saying Karpov would have to win 10-8 to become World Champion). Campomanes annulled the match because both players were exhausted. But the only player who was exhausted was Karpov! (Fischer must have noticed this during the candidates matches of Karpov.)
Feb 14, 2013
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#77
I compare current Carlsen to young Larsen: Dangerous to established champion (Botvinnik, Petrosian) in individual tournament games and winning tournaments. Did Carlsen achieve more? Not yet.
Karpov or Kasparov in their best would destroy Carlsen in a match with similar score like Fischer did Larsen.
Feb 14, 2013
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#78
kasparov is 50 and hasnot played for 8 years professional chess.
carlsen has been bsy playing in tournaments and is 23 and number1.he broke kasparov rating record too.so of course rapidly growing carlsen has better chances.
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