Losing streak that I never recovered from

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gregory947

Lately, my rating has taken a nosedive, from a high point of 1320 down to less than 1250. In a month, I haven't climbed back up from that, and my rating percentile has gone down by 2 percent. Usually, I recover from losing streaks and gain the ELO back, but this one seems to be permanent. Has anyone else experienced this strange thing, and how can it be overcome?

AtaChess68
Going up and down 150 is completely normal for me.
jayb666

Same. I'm enjoying the ride. Being open to see when and where the bottom is. It's fascinating. Same numbers. Pinged that same 1320 and held fine for a month or two. Then nothing but nonstop exceptional play from tons of random players. From 1200 to 1350. Big batch of games running at around 70-80 percent of opponent having zero blunders. And over 50 percent also having two or fewer mistakes. Probably 15 -20 percent

jayb666

[Damn app.] Probably 15-20 percent zero blunders and zero mistakes over 40 or so moves (30-0 game) with several right at or over 90 percent accuracy. Maybe around 4-6 (immaterial) inaccuracies. And I'm counterplaying and complicating decently. But that kind of lockdown play means a single blunder is lights out. Even with no blunder, any crooked number in mistakes means you're doomed. I honestly thought such solid play would only rountinely be found much higher up. It is what it is though. Do fine regularly against 1800 computer play. But live play is wildly different. Not exactly clear what accounts for the discrepancy.

BlueScreenRevenge

Ignore your rating fluctuations and concentrate on the quality of your games (or lack thereof). That is to say: go through your games and be upset about your mistakes rather than losing rating points (there will be mistakes in games you win too) and work on learning from them. That's the only way to increase your rating.

lemaudit1

A drop from 1320 to 1250 is not a nosedive; 1300 down to 1100 or less IS a nosedive.

hrarray
Yeah like 150 points is a nosedive
eric0022
gregory947 wrote:

Lately, my rating has taken a nosedive, from a high point of 1320 down to less than 1250. In a month, I haven't climbed back up from that, and my rating percentile has gone down by 2 percent. Usually, I recover from losing streaks and gain the ELO back, but this one seems to be permanent. Has anyone else experienced this strange thing, and how can it be overcome?

 

Your situation and Jay's situation are pretty normal.

 

I have dropped 300 rating points in bullet over a span of two weeks before, from about 2000 to about 1700, in part due to losing to many lower rated opponents in 1|0 and 2|1 Swiss and Arena tournaments.

 

I have since recovered my rating thereafter.

eric0022
gregory947 wrote:

Lately, my rating has taken a nosedive, from a high point of 1320 down to less than 1250. In a month, I haven't climbed back up from that, and my rating percentile has gone down by 2 percent. Usually, I recover from losing streaks and gain the ELO back, but this one seems to be permanent. Has anyone else experienced this strange thing, and how can it be overcome?

 

Anyway, are you aware that "peak rating" is just a peak? A "high" of 1320 does not mean that you are a 1320 player. If your rating has stabilised at 1250, your playing strength should be around 1250. It just so happened that you once achieved 1320.

gregory947
eric0022 wrote:
gregory947 wrote:

Lately, my rating has taken a nosedive, from a high point of 1320 down to less than 1250. In a month, I haven't climbed back up from that, and my rating percentile has gone down by 2 percent. Usually, I recover from losing streaks and gain the ELO back, but this one seems to be permanent. Has anyone else experienced this strange thing, and how can it be overcome?

 

Anyway, are you aware that "peak rating" is just a peak? A "high" of 1320 does not mean that you are a 1320 player. If your rating has stabilised at 1250, your playing strength should be around 1250. It just so happened that you once achieved 1320.

I should have been more clear. My rating hovered around 1300-1310 for a couple of months, peaked at +/-1320, then plummeted in December. Now it happens to be even worse than the few hours ago that I made this post.

xor_eax_eax05

Not much difference in strength between 800 and 1500 (at least) on this site. I would not be concerned.

jellybeans_1000

eric0022
gregory947 wrote:
eric0022 wrote:
gregory947 wrote:

Lately, my rating has taken a nosedive, from a high point of 1320 down to less than 1250. In a month, I haven't climbed back up from that, and my rating percentile has gone down by 2 percent. Usually, I recover from losing streaks and gain the ELO back, but this one seems to be permanent. Has anyone else experienced this strange thing, and how can it be overcome?

 

Anyway, are you aware that "peak rating" is just a peak? A "high" of 1320 does not mean that you are a 1320 player. If your rating has stabilised at 1250, your playing strength should be around 1250. It just so happened that you once achieved 1320.

I should have been more clear. My rating hovered around 1300-1310 for a couple of months, peaked at +/-1320, then plummeted in December. Now it happens to be even worse than the few hours ago that I made this post.

 

In some cases, a drop in rating for more than one month indicates an "improvement" in your game play which has not well blended into your games yet.

 

I predict that, assuming you maintain your games and perhaps do some own reading/research/analysis, your rating will surpass 1300 again and perhaps you can even reach 1400 in a span of six months.

marqumax
remember that chess is a long-term game, and it is natural to have ups and downs over time. It is important to stay committed to learning and improving, and to keep working towards your goals. With time and practice, you will likely see your rating improve once again.
jayb666

Gregory I just had a thought it might be worth us having a few matches together and see what we see. I'm not clear on how to do invites. I'll leave it to you to figure that out if you're interested. Otherwise I'll keep an eye out for you as a random opponent.

BigFoxy90

Recently, I hit my all time highest rating of 1367. I then plummeted to 1256, I believe, in a matter of two days. You can go back through my games and witness the carnage for yourself. 😅 Admittedly, I was grieving the sudden loss of a friend pretty heavily at that time and I shouldn't have been playing, but it was the only distraction my mind could go to. 

After tilting hard and LOSING A LOT of games I came to the only logical conclusion to break out of tilt. Take a break up to three days and try again. Set a limit for the number of games you play. If you win that first game, play again after quick analysis. If you win that second game, same thing until you eventually lose or decide to end the day/night with a winning streak. Once you lose, stop playing and analyze the game heavily. Scrutinize your every move. Ignore the impulse to play again immediately in some ridiculous attempt at self redemption. Stop. Analyze the loss. Take notes. Figure out why you lost and learn what you can to make sure you don't make the same mistakes. Then if you feel like playing again, try one more time. If you win, another game is up to you. If you lose again, you're done for the night. Don't risk a tilt. It's a tough pill to swallow, but I can't tell you how many times I tilted because I "had to win one game". Just take the L for the night and study. Analyze that game and the previous one again. 

 

But put bluntly the only way to get out of a tilt is to learn from your losses and keep playing. Just put measures in place so you're not playing too much and that you're studying your lost games. 

 

I wish you the best of luck, buddy. Take care. 

Sameer_chess-player

Maybe you are playing way too aggressive, and therefore are miscalculating. Try playing very solidly, and instead of going for risky attacks, gain a small material advantage, and wither it down to a pawn endgame where you'll be winning.(Edit: i've been playing a lot on lichess, which is why it shows I havent played any rapid games in like a year)

Sameer_chess-player

Can I see one or two of your most recent games?

 

PineappleBird

10 min is practically Blitz. In Blitz you normally have ups and downs..

Losing more than 100 Rapid points (actual rapid, like 30 min or 15+10) can indeed make you feel worried (when it happens to me it bothers me alot.. that's why I keep Rapid serious with increment and Blitz and Bullet in the fun and stupid zone )

10+0 don't expect consistency.

 

Also - consider you were playing at 1300 level in a period of studying, puzzles, etc... then you stop practicing but you are still capable of playing at that level... slowly your level goes down but you hang on to the rating by going up and down 30 points for some time (which I think makes you better actually)... one day you say ah who cares, play more games "freely" and lose 100 points and discoverer your real level of play was 1200 for a while now..

 

Just how I understand the online elo works... it always kindof lets you get 100+ than your actual strength, this way you are always facing max-difficult opponents for you and gradually get better or give up grin.png 

So play 15+10 and stay calm

hrarray
10 min is nothing like blitz. You have way more time to think, and for me it’s the same as 10+15.