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shadowarcher28
LazyDog24 wrote:

GOOD LUCK IS A SATANIC TERM THAT I WILL NOT TOLERATE IN THIS HOUSEHOLD. IF SOMEONE SAYS GOOD LUCK TO ME HE GETS REPORTED.

have you gone crazy? or are you joking lol 

PedroLusofin

Agree snoozyman ... it's all predetermined

llama47
kingattacker3 wrote:

Believe me, when you blunder and your opponent misses it, that’s luck.

So then it's unlucky when you blunder and your opponent sees it?

And if you answer "no" then it's a matter of (subjective) reference.

Either way what you said is silly.

blueemu
snoozyman wrote:
Philosophically, there is no such thing a luck, it’s all predetermined since the beginning of time, like a book written infinitely many years ago. Fate is our destiny, the matrix is real...

Then why are criminals punished? If they were destined from the start to rob and murder, then it isn't their fault, is it?

llama47
blueemu wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
Philosophically, there is no such thing a luck, it’s all predetermined since the beginning of time, like a book written infinitely many years ago. Fate is our destiny, the matrix is real...

Then why are criminals punished? If they were destined from the start to rob and murder, then it isn't their fault, is it?

That's only a problem for those who confuse some kind of idealized justice or supernaturally based morality with practical and mundane modern justice systems.

You simply remove dangerous elements from society. That's all.

ponz111

Of course there is luck in chess. 

Optimissed
snoozyman wrote:
Philosophically, there is no such thing a luck, it’s all predetermined since the beginning of time, like a book written infinitely many years ago. Fate is our destiny, the matrix is real...

Determinism is a concept that Einstein probably believed in but it's incorrect. Various things, ranging from quantum indeterminacy to randomness, are real. I also think that free will is real, except for people who believe in determinism! tongue.png Philosophically, that is! happy.png

Optimissed

If someone says "good luck" to me before a chess game, I think I interpret that as a weakness on their part. If someone were to say "show me your best game" then that would double my resolve to win. Hardly a clever thing to say to your opponent!

Something like "enjoy your game" is usually an innocent platitude that I would react positively to, out of friendship. Enjoying it doesn't mean I'm going to make more errors.

jpaul_lyons

Yeah "good luck" is just something someone was once taught in some scholastic program and as memetic proliferation goes, everyone says it, as if its the thing to say.  

ruthef1
Well, luck can be how well the other person plays. Also people don’t use that saying literally it’s just a phrase.
FlorianCovington16
Philosophical, there isn’t predestination. I know this discussion is supposed to be about chess, but I couldn’t help but say something.
mpaetz

     It's just a meaningless pleasantry like "have a nice day" or "how are you". Perhaps you should just regard it as a wish that bad luck doesn't spoil you game.

FlorianCovington16
I think you say “good luck” because there’s more to chess than JUST winning.
blueemu
Optimissed wrote:

If someone says "good luck" to me before a chess game, I think I interpret that as a weakness on their part. 

"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."

- Winston Churchill

kakouloukiya
Optimissed a écrit :

If someone says "good luck" to me before a chess game, I think I interpret that as a weakness on their part. If someone were to say "show me your best game" then that would double my resolve to win. Hardly a clever thing to say to your opponent!

Something like "enjoy your game" is usually an innocent platitude that I would react positively to, out of friendship. Enjoying it doesn't mean I'm going to make more errors.

"Enjoy your game" is so weird if someone tell you that.
It's like an order.
Also i don't understand, why "good luck" and the luck in actual chess are involved since it's an idiom in beginning and doesn't correlate with the word luck itself.
You cannot know the issue of the game until it's end by a way so he doesn't make sense you take it literally.

jpaul_lyons
FlorianCovington16 wrote:
Philosophical, there isn’t predestination. I know this discussion is supposed to be about chess, but I couldn’t help but say something.

Predestination approaches "determinism" in meaning. Stripped of all religious connotations, predestination means strong determinism.

AussieMatey

Since there's no luck in chess, when I shake my opponent's hand before the game and say "Good luck", I'm not really saying meaning anything or wishing him anything. happy.png

Optimissed
blueemu wrote:
snoozyman wrote:
Philosophically, there is no such thing a luck, it’s all predetermined since the beginning of time, like a book written infinitely many years ago. Fate is our destiny, the matrix is real...

Then why are criminals punished? If they were destined from the start to rob and murder, then it isn't their fault, is it?

Ah, the punishers are destined to punish. Without the criminals, their existence would be empty and meaningless.

Optimissed

Obviously there's luck in chess. To believe there's no luck imples that you believe in determinsim but that is nonsense.

Optimissed

To put it briefly, determinism, or the idea that everything is predestined as part of an incorrigible universal mechanism, is a form of idealism. All idealisms are attempts to model the universe or perhaps throught or logic on overly simplified "rules". So a person who has heard of cause and effect may believe in it to the extent that he thinks there is nothing else. Worse still, such a person notionally reverses it and imagines that just because a cause has led inexorably to an effect, then that effect proves that a particular cause occured. And that's illogical, because someone can turn blue because they're asphyxiated or because they're covered in blue ink. And just as an effect may be the result of different causes, so can a cause give rise to more than one possible effect. To make matters worse, quantum effects don't seem to have causes.