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Magnus Carlsen gives away the title, what does this all mean?
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i think people rather prefer carlsen over karjakin honestly cause well then this would be darker
Jul 21, 2022
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#64
nMsALpg wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
Chesserroo2 wrote:
With the wave of 10 year old masters and 12 year old grandmasters coming up the ranks in 5 years, he got out while the getting out is good.
Chess computers and tutorials are nothing like they were when I was a kid.
... what... at what age do you think Carlsen became a GM?
13
Yep, that was my point.
And his contemporary, Karjakin, was a GM at 12. The same Karjakin Carlsen outclassed in their WCC match in spite of being in a slump.
Sometimes I wonder whether people are purposefully saying... well... dumb things.
People who know little, and most of that wrong, cannot say things that are not dumb.
In recent interviews, Carlsen just sounds tired of the whole World Championship. Even the mention of it makes him look away with disinterest.
He's been doing it for nearly 10 years now. At this point, he apparently just wants to be done with it, once and for all.
When asked if him stepping away devalued the next World Championship match, he casually responded, "That's not really my problem."
Which further clarifies his mindset: he views the World Championship as a "problem" ... a burden ... something he just wants to be freed from.
Probably means he had a garage sale!
nMsALpg wrote:
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
He'll play a wc match again if there's a lot more money.
Yeah man, that's what it's always been about. Carlsen never shuts up about how much he wishes there were larger prize funds. Even back in 2010 when he was talking about his issues with the WC cycle, it was always about money.
He mentioned many reasons to withdraw from the Candidates back in 2010, none of them related to money. Maybe he just gave his actual reasons both then and now. In 2010 he said that he didn’t feel motivated to go through a lengthy preparation process after changes made during the ongoing cycle, he meant the five year cycle was too long, disliked the sequential minimatches with eight participants picked through puzzling criteria. Also then he said approximately the same thing as now, a dozen years later:
“Rest assured that I am still motivated to play competitive chess. My current plan is to continue to participate in well-organised top-level tournaments and to try to maintain the no 1 spot on the rating list”
It means that DING finally got a chance to top everyone else!! LET'S GOOOO
Jul 21, 2022
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#69
It means we will see Magnus roasting Ding and Nepo as a commentator during the match.
Jul 21, 2022
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#70
fabelhaft wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
He'll play a wc match again if there's a lot more money.
Yeah man, that's what it's always been about. Carlsen never shuts up about how much he wishes there were larger prize funds. Even back in 2010 when he was talking about his issues with the WC cycle, it was always about money.
He mentioned many reasons to withdraw from the Candidates back in 2010, none of them related to money
Exactly my point.
I was mocking @dreamscapehorizons
Jul 21, 2022
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#72
nMsALpg wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
He'll play a wc match again if there's a lot more money.
Yeah man, that's what it's always been about. Carlsen never shuts up about how much he wishes there were larger prize funds. Even back in 2010 when he was talking about his issues with the WC cycle, it was always about money.
He mentioned many reasons to withdraw from the Candidates back in 2010, none of them related to money
Exactly my point.
I was mocking @dreamscapehorizons
the last time somebody had to explain a joke, a frog died.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/raising-chess-com-kids#comment-42419962
nMsALpg wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
He'll play a wc match again if there's a lot more money.
Yeah man, that's what it's always been about. Carlsen never shuts up about how much he wishes there were larger prize funds. Even back in 2010 when he was talking about his issues with the WC cycle, it was always about money.
He mentioned many reasons to withdraw from the Candidates back in 2010, none of them related to money
Exactly my point.
I was mocking @dreamscapehorizons
Oh :-) But it is surprising how few actually believe what Carlsen is saying. He has been talking for many years about not being particularly excited about playing title matches. This would have been his sixth since 2013. He doesn’t feel like he has some sort of obligation to keep doing something he doesn’t enjoy. At the same time it probably took a while to take the decision, the title is after all worth something.
Return to the 3 year cycle. Increase number of games to at least 16. Shorten the time control a bit so it still maintains the classical feel but it's more exciting to watch (and play?).
60 mins for the whole game, no increment. 120 sec byo-yomi period for every move, renewed after every move after the initial 60 minutes passes. Makes for 2-3+ hours games.
Just an example.
This whole WCC mess has to be properly addressed and dealt it as fast as possible.
idilis wrote:
brianchesscake wrote:
Unlike Fischer, Carlsen has already defended his title 4 times. He has nothing left to prove to anyone. Long live the king!!
It's not like he defended it 5 times. Hmmph
Won from the former champion at first. Then he defended it 4 times.
Jul 22, 2022
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#76
IronSteam1 wrote:
In recent interviews, Carlsen just sounds tired of the whole World Championship. Even the mention of it makes him look away with disinterest.
He's been doing it for nearly 10 years now. At this point, he apparently just wants to be done with it, once and for all.
When asked if him stepping away devalued the next World Championship match, he casually responded, "That's not really my problem."
Which further clarifies his mindset: he views the World Championship as a "problem" ... a burden ... something he just wants to be freed from.
Other World Champions have felt that responsibility came with the title. I’ve struggled to like Magnus as long as I’ve known of him (when he was and IM playing in the B Group at Wijk aan Zee). Sometimes I do. I’ve warmed up to him quite a bit in the past couple of years, but all this talk about what he thinks of the WCC has always rubbed me the wrong way.
Nepo and Ding will be a great match! Both play exciting chess. My hope is that one or both of them also start getting a string of tournament victories against Magnus. Make no mistake, Magnus has brought a style of play to chess that is inspiring, but he still comes across as a boy who cares mostly about himself.
Jul 22, 2022
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#77
Ziryab wrote:
IronSteam1 wrote:
In recent interviews, Carlsen just sounds tired of the whole World Championship. Even the mention of it makes him look away with disinterest.
He's been doing it for nearly 10 years now. At this point, he apparently just wants to be done with it, once and for all.
When asked if him stepping away devalued the next World Championship match, he casually responded, "That's not really my problem."
Which further clarifies his mindset: he views the World Championship as a "problem" ... a burden ... something he just wants to be freed from.
Other World Champions have felt that responsibility came with the title. I’ve struggled to like Magnus as long as I’ve known of him (when he was and IM playing in the B Group at Wijk aan Zee). Sometimes I do. I’ve warmed up to him quite a bit in the past couple of years, but all this talk about what he thinks of the WCC has always rubbed me the wrong way.
Nepo and Ding will be a great match! Both play exciting chess. My hope is that one or both of them also start getting a string of tournament victories against Magnus. Make no mistake, Magnus has brought a style of play to chess that is inspiring, but he still comes across as a boy who cares mostly about himself.
Well said. However, to play the Magnus’s Advocate for a moment…
When one has known nothing other than being the wonder child from his young single digit years and being given the red carpet-VIP treatment ever since, why would be expect a different behavior? Of course, it isn’t a mandatory cause and effect exercise, but it does provide a type of backdrop. Not to say he hasn’t earned his title and he has been (and remains) one of the best. We see it in other venues as well, the music and acting world specifically. Youngsters are thrust into an adult world by managers, producers, and parents who would do well to be more guardians than money grubbers. Most often i think it delays, if not prohibits, emotional development. Just another viewpoint.
@nMsALpg, it's always easy to tell who the spoiled mommas boys like u are. U just start being rude and disrespectful for no reason at all as if only u get to decide what opinions are acceptable. Typical slave master mentality. I'd love to see u in person. U like being a rude troublemaker? I can teach spoiled troublmaking mommas boys like u some manners since ur idiot mother didnt.
Jul 22, 2022
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#79
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
@nMsALpg, it's always easy to tell who the spoiled mommas boys like u are. U just start being rude and disrespectful for no reason at all if only u get to decide what opinions are acceptable. Typical slave master mentality. I'd love to see u in person. U like being a rude troublemaker? I can teach spoiled troublmaking mommas boys like u some manners since ur idiot mother didnt.
I call you dumb because the facts are against you.
You call my mother dumb because... well... enough said, lol.
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
I'd love to see u in person.
And for good reason. You have approximately 0% chance of impressing me with your writing or ideas. So you call my mother stupid and imply you'd physically assault me. The only question is how a Cro-Magnon brain like yours ended up on a chess site.
In the end, it's better to not give a sh*t and just post fun videos and jokes like bunny.
In the end only entertainment matters
Probably said in jest, but honestly... not sure how much discussion humanity needs these days. I suppose there are still fundamentally broken institutions... like government. My dream is one day AI will take over so we'll actually have some intelligence behind decision making instead of rich photogenic a**holes running everything... too bad it will be long after I'm gone.