Carlsen definitely dropped his frilly pink coloured drawers in this match! He should be hung drawn and quartered for shaming the chess world! What conclusion can one draw from this shambolic promotional fiasco? To add insult to injury cretinous individuals with Southern Drawls with no obvious sense of humour have imposed their intelellectual drawt upon us! It's High Noon! Draw Pardner!
Magnus Carlsen is an embarrassment
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London Chess Classic just finished with the Grand Chess Tour Finals. The result? All longplay games drawn between Aronian, Caruana, Nakamura, and Vachier-Lagrave. All matches decided by rapidplay and blitz. Why is the chess world persisting in trying to revive this outmoded tournament format? It's no coincidence that they it abandoned back in the 19th century (even without rapidplay and blitz) in favour of all-play-all tournaments. The novelty factor wore off sometime in 2001 or so.
ForgottenAmericans wrote:
BontheCat, the average draw rate in elite Grandmaster chess is 60%. I get it that you have some weird emotional love of rapid chess that 10% of chess players share. There's no need to look for anecdotes or small sample sizes to "prove" your emotional feelings are right. They're not.
Geh, thanks for telling me something I didn't already know. Are you just trying to be snarky or did you actually misunderstand my comment?
I think his point was that you're claiming there's a draw death in chess, and as a 1400 player, you aren't aware of the statistics, so your comments just seem weird and off-base.
Botvinnik4Ever wrote:
I think his point was that you're claiming there's a draw death in chess, and as a 1400 player, you aren't aware of the statistics, so your comments just seem weird and off-base.
Considering that I'm not a 1400 player, but rated quite a bit higher than that, I'm well aware of the drawing stats in elite chess. Clearly, he hasn't (nor have you, by the sounds of it) read my posts on the topic, because my point obviously flew far over his head.
Sweet beedjeeezus, what is wrong with people on this site? They think they can dismiss someone because they look at his/her rating, not understanding that the player in question perhaps doesn't even play rated games on this site (automatically leading to a rating of 1400, I guess?), but is here more for the forum. Furthermore, regardless of someone's rating, that person may have insights worth mulling over for a bit. Stop judging people's comments by the rating displayed on their profile.
Agreeing to draws shouldn't be allowed in the world championship unless the position is obvious like this:
Yo opino que carlsen es muy bueno
EndgameStudier wrote:
Agreeing to draws shouldn't be allowed in the world championship unless the position is obvious like this:
Such a position wouldn't be drawn by agreement because it is a draw by insufficient mating material.
ThirstyHornet wrote:
Yo opino que carlsen es muy bueno
yo opino que eres el burrote mayor
Justs99171 wrote:
EndgameStudier wrote:
Agreeing to draws shouldn't be allowed in the world championship unless the position is obvious like this:
Such a position wouldn't be drawn by agreement because it is a draw by insufficient mating material.
It is? I doubt a world class player would find themselves this position, but I wouldn't say it's insufficient mating material.
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Justs99171 wrote:
EndgameStudier wrote:
Agreeing to draws shouldn't be allowed in the world championship unless the position is obvious like this:
Such a position wouldn't be drawn by agreement because it is a draw by insufficient mating material.
It is? I doubt a world class player would find themselves this position, but I wouldn't say it's insufficient mating material.
According to the rules, it's insufficient mating material. I didn't say it isn't possible to construct a position in which one side is checkmated. These are just basic rules … you must have a pawn, queen, rook, etc.. A knight and bishop combined is enough, two bishops, blah blah blah a single knight or a single bishop in a pawn less endgame is insufficient mating material.
The instant whatever material is removed from the board, resulting in a position where neither color has more than a bishop or knight (single minor piece) it's a drawn.
Justs99171 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Justs99171 wrote:
EndgameStudier wrote:
Agreeing to draws shouldn't be allowed in the world championship unless the position is obvious like this:
Such a position wouldn't be drawn by agreement because it is a draw by insufficient mating material.
It is? I doubt a world class player would find themselves this position, but I wouldn't say it's insufficient mating material.
According to the rules, it's insufficient mating material. I didn't say it isn't possible to construct a position in which one side is checkmated. These are just basic rules … you must have a pawn, queen, rook, etc.. A knight and bishop combined is enough, two bishops, blah blah blah a single knight or a single bishop in a pawn less endgame is insufficient mating material.
The instant whatever material is removed from the board, resulting in a position where neither color has more than a bishop or knight (single minor piece) it's a drawn.
You could be right, that could be the rules. But it doesn't seem like a very good rule. What happens in this case, when after several exchanges this position occurs? It's white to move, and the "instant" that you describe happens. After the rook is taken, and neither color has more than a bishop or knight, is it drawn or does white get to move?
IfPatriotGames is correct. The relevant rule is 5.2.2: "The game is drawn when a position has arisen in which neither player can checkmate the opponent’s king with any series of legal moves."
However, in a normal tournament situation, the arbiter would step in if the players were just aimlessly shuffling a bishop and a knight around the board. This in sharp distinction to armageddon games in the World Cup and the like, where the players would be allowed to continue until flag fall for either side (an unedifying spectactle).
lfPatriotGames wrote:
You could be right, that could be the rules. But it doesn't seem like a very good rule. What happens in this case, when after several exchanges this position occurs? It's white to move, and the "instant" that you describe happens. After the rook is taken, and neither color has more than a bishop or knight, is it drawn or does white get to move?
It's not a rule anywhere but on chess.com (I assume they've just adopted a simplified version of the rules as there's no arbiter). He's just stating facts without knowing them.
In FIDE it's only insufficient material when no possible series of moves to mate is possible.
In USCF it has to be able to be forced by reasonable play, but obviously if you can prove there's a mate coming then no arbiter is going to rule it a draw.
Scottrf wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
You could be right, that could be the rules. But it doesn't seem like a very good rule. What happens in this case, when after several exchanges this position occurs? It's white to move, and the "instant" that you describe happens. After the rook is taken, and neither color has more than a bishop or knight, is it drawn or does white get to move?
It's not a rule anywhere but on chess.com (I assume they've just adopted a simplified version of the rules as there's no arbiter). He's just stating facts without knowing them.
In FIDE it's only insufficient material when no possible series of moves to mate is possible.
In USCF it has to be able to be forced by reasonable play, but obviously if you can prove there's a mate coming then no arbiter is going to rule it a draw.
USCF doesn't have arbiters, just tournament directors. Tournament directors can't interfere; they can only validate and they have to have a copy of the rule book on hand to reference it. I know this, because I used to be a tournament director. I am NOT stating facts without knowing them. Insufficient mating material is a rule and this is easy to look up. So go google it instead of talking crap.
You’re wrong. It’s not a draw as soon as it’s only a minor piece for each side.
But reading your arrogance in previous posts I can’t be bothered to argue with you.
Scottrf wrote:
You’re wrong. It’s not a draw as soon as it’s only a minor piece for each side.
But reading your arrogance in previous posts I can’t be bothered to argue with you.
Ok first you accuse me of stating facts, without knowing facts, and then you call me arrogant.
I guess you wanted me to spell the rule out for you? Are you denying that insufficient mating material is a rule? You're an idiotic A-hole.
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