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Likhit1
Likhit1
Apr 25, 2013
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mendez1996 wrote:
Likhit1 wrote:
mendez1996 wrote:

magnus carlson's title of world champion is on the line...if I were him, I would also make sure the venue is as normal & perfect as possible

err...You mean to say,Anand's title is on the line,right?

lettuce be real, Carlsen is the future of Chess. If someone is gonna make Chess popular it's Carlsen. Kids got the youth, looks, highest rating, money, fame. I havent seen anyone like this since Bobby Fisher when they made that movie about him.

Karlsen Krew 2013

Doesn't change the fact that he is not World champion yet which is what you said.Though I totally agree with him being the future of chess!Go Carlsen!

waffllemaster
waffllemaster
Apr 25, 2013
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steve-matt wrote:
mendez1996 wrote:

magnus carlson's title of world champion is on the line...if I were him, I would also make sure the venue is as normal & perfect as possible

So... what about when the Olympics were in Beijing? You get hot and humid summer temperatures well over 35 C. The local food is nothing like western food... I didn't read any stories of any athletes saying they might not take part in the Olympics because of this.

 

All Carlsen needs to do is sleep in five star hotel which will no doubt be provided, make sure he is served western food (i'm sure they can even hire a norweigian chef if they have $22 million to splash around) and sit in an air conditioned room while playing chess. Is it really too difficult?

Pretty much this.  If he's a millionaire it really shouldn't matter.

Xiaozu
Xiaozu
Apr 25, 2013
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#23

Also, what sounds better?

 

Carlsen beats Anand in New York to win the world chess championship.

 

Carlsen beat Anand in Anand's own backyard to take the world championship.

 

Come on, if Carlsen goes to India and beats him it will be remembered much more than if he beats him somewhere like New York. It will also make more of a splash in the international news which is good for chess.

Ziggyblitz
Ziggyblitz
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Apr 25, 2013
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#24

There is most likely other, more political issues involved than climate and food.  In a top class hotel you'd hardly know that you were in India.

thedeliveryman
thedeliveryman
Apr 25, 2013
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#25

Carlsen is starting to piss me off.

It's becoming more and more apparent that the kid is just a spoiled brat.  I mean what else could you expect from a child who has his father virtually enslaved to fulfill his every whim.

In interviews and post-game conferences he comes across even worse.  He does nothing but slouch, sigh loudly to himself, rub his face and vaguely answer questions until he is able to literally run out of there at the very first opportunity he gets.

I still want him to win though.

gambitattax
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Apr 25, 2013
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Please remember that the World Championship Matches happen in AC Halls. So there is no need to worry about it.

I am sure that TEMPERATURE DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR CHESS SKILLS.

Carlsen has gone nuts. Didn't Anand play in Sofia, Moscow etc etc outside his den?

Abhishek2
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Apr 25, 2013
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I agree even though Carlsen is picky about where he wants to play I'd just pick something with normal weather so both players are comfy. 

waffllemaster
waffllemaster
Apr 25, 2013
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FederalStreet_1985 wrote:

Pardon me because I don't know the specific FIDE ins/outs of a world chess championship, but does the challenger have any real standing to object to the venue?  Why can't Anand just say something like "ok, don't come then, you lose, I retain the title."  This would not be "cowardly" for Anand, since he wasn't the one trying to change the venue after it had been decided.

It would be silly if one of the teams in a Superbowl would seriously "object" to the host city right before the match.  How is this situation different? 

PS:  Anand may also take this as a slap in the face, like Carlsen saying his "hometown" isn't good enough to host a chess championship.

Are superbowls ever hosted in the stadium of one of the teams?  Not that that would matter much I guess... so many fans come out both sides will be cheered.

As for Anand saying "you object then you lose" it's not his authority to do that.  FIDE runs the show.  And as Estragon says they're pretty corrupt... to me that means there's always room to negotiate.  Kasparov was so displeased he split from FIDE and created his own organization which really screwed stuff up for a while (I wonder if this not so distant past gives the players more bargaining power).

Anyway as Ziggyblitz points out this is probably just PR stuff that masks the actual issues.

jesterville
jesterville
Apr 25, 2013
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...well at least Carlsen's Team got it right. They had to object. I anticipated this when the venue was disclosed. I believe India was given this based on the last WCC when they had the largest bid...but was not accepted. The WCC went to Russia instead with the promise of them getting the first offer for this WCC. We will see how this pans out.

ShyamGopal
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Apr 25, 2013
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SmyslovFan
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mendez1996 wrote:
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I agree with Carlsen, the game should be played in a more normal, suitable enviroment such as London, New York, Paris, Moscow, maybe even Miami. I would also be skeptical to go to a country that borders Pakistan & Afghanistan.

The World Championships have been played in Baguio, Philippines, Buenos Aires, and Rejkjavik, among other places.

Vishy Anand, as the world champion, has shown his willingness to travel to Bulgaria to face Veselin Topalov in the World Championship. And he did that while a volcanic cloud covered Europe!

It's about time the World Championship was played in India! 

Normal? What makes India less normal than anywhere else? It's only exotic if you didn't grow up there. 

And would you feel comfortable with a nation that borders Mexico and is only 90 miles away from Cuba? 

Take a look at a map. The distance from Cartegena Colombia to Miami is ~1000 miles. The distance from Islamabad to Chennai is more than 1900 miles.

Abhishek2
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Apr 25, 2013
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SmyslovFan wrote:
mendez1996 wrote:
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I agree with Carlsen, the game should be played in a more normal, suitable enviroment such as London, New York, Paris, Moscow, maybe even Miami. I would also be skeptical to go to a country that borders Pakistan & Afghanistan.

The World Championships have been played in Baguio, Philippines, Buenos Aires, and Rejkjavik, among other places.

Vishy Anand, as the world champion, has shown his willingness to travel to Bulgaria to face Veselin Topalov in the World Championship. And he did that while a volcanic cloud covered Europe!

It's about time the World Championship was played in India! 

Normal? What makes India less normal than anywhere else? It's only exotic if you didn't grow up there. 

And would you feel comfortable with a nation that borders Mexico and is only 90 miles away from Cuba? 

Take a look at a map. The distance from Cartegena Colombia to Miami is ~1000 miles. The distance from Islamabad to Chennai is more than 1900 miles.

I agree.

SmyslovFan
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Apr 25, 2013
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True, Fed. I was surprised to find that many people believe India to be in the Southern hemisphere! Surprised

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SmyslovFan
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I'm pretty confident that the only problems Chennai will have regarding whether it holds the title match will be financial. If they can definitely come up with enough money to guarantee the purse and playing site, they'll get it. 

I haven't read any report yet suggesting that Carlsen would pull out if it were held in India. But if he has said as much, the timing of his comment, while Anand is busy playing in a tournament, is interesting.

SmyslovFan
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Estragon wrote:

Most of this misses the point completely.  Chennai is an excellent site, and Carlsen should be able to spend three weeks there without discomfort.  It isn't as if he would be renting a hut in the slums or eating street vendor food.  It has NOTHING to do with Chennai or India as the site.

The problem is there was NO BIDDING.  FIDE just arbitrarily decided to award the match to Chennai because they were outbid by Moscow for the Anand-Gelfand match.  There is no authority in FIDE By-laws to award the match without competitive bidding - in fact, that even hurts FIDE, who take a big percentage of the purse for themselves.

If Chennai can put together the highest bid, they should get the match - not because of some back room deal or greasing the palms of corrupt FIDE officials.

This is a strange statement. FIDE has the authority to accept bids and to rule on bids as they see fit. How exactly do you think Elista has hosted so many events. There are very few cities that make bids on major chess events in the first place. Just as with the Olympics and World Cup, there is more than just the amount of money thrown about that goes into a successful bid.

By the way, FIDE has not officially ruled on the Chennai bid yet as far as I know.