Mikhail Tal vs Magnus Carlsen

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Real_Undertaker

We know that the magician from Riga played more aggressive than everyone in this world, the combination will crush Carlsen in some tactical ways.

Diakonia

Unfortunately the only thing we know from posts like this is that the question will be asked over...and over...and over...and over.  But as far as actually knowing the asnwer?  No one knows.  Its all opinion and guesswork.

i-msolahdidah

best thing to do is wait a few years when they will be able to simulate Carlsen and Tal's play to incredible accuracy with computers and all our most pressing questions about the best evers will be answered!! how koowil is that ??

pfren

Tal would have beaten him for sure: Carlsen was less than two years old when Tal died.

Raspberry_Yoghurt
i-msolahdidah wrote:

best thing to do is wait a few years when they will be able to simulate Carlsen and Tal's play to incredible accuracy with computers and all our most pressing questions about the best evers will be answered!! how koowil is that ??

OMG how cool is will be. 

i-msolahdidah

looks like i picked up a tail, sorry for commenting on your crazy thread raspberry, figured you'd have more bottle.

Bawker

I don't personally believe that computers will ever be up to that challenge.  It's not a question of processing power or clever programming, but rather a question of hitting a "moving target".  Magnus, Tal, and any other chess player you consider is NOT a static entity that can be modeled, but rather a changing, evolving, learning being.  Even Tal himself admitted that in later years his playing style became more "conservative" and less firey.

 

If computers are ever able to "accurately model" the playing style of any particular player based on the historical record of their games, it will probably be a very limited scope of that person's career... covering a few years at most.

 

All of this, of course, is ASIDE from the questions of the "Art" aspect of chess... those inspired flashes of brilliancy that occur from time to time over the board and seem to transcend any level of analysis or computation.  I personally think these are a unique phenomenon arising from the neural structure of the human brain, and can probably never be modeled using a digital computer!

Raspberry_Yoghurt
i-msolahdidah wrote:

looks like i picked up a tail, sorry for commenting on your crazy thread raspberry, figured you'd have more bottle.

Huh?

Real_Undertaker

Carlsen will looking for the way to sacrifice his knight for two pawn, but Tal his queen for win

timochampion

carlsen would trash tal anyday

timochampion

Any member of the top ten would beat tal easily-fact

Real_Undertaker
timochampion wrote:

Any member of the top ten would beat tal easily-fact

I bet you underestimate Tal so much, you should search so many crazy games of him

Real_Undertaker

I think Tal never beaten in such an open play

Smellfungus
Assuming both in their prime, In classic chess Carlsen by a large margin. In rapid, Carlsen by a smaller margin. In chess 960, Tal by a small margin.
Real_Undertaker

Against carlsen, you cannot win the game

Against tal, you cannot play the game