Mixed Chess Match
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Mar 25, 2011
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The current correspondence world champion is Dronov.
And the question makes sense only if they play correspondence games (Anand would probably win anyway), as there is no interest in otb between those two.
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:
The current correspondence world champion is Dronov.
And the question makes sense only if they play correspondence games (Anand would probably win anyway), as there is no interest in otb between those two.
It looks like both Dronov and Ulrich are listed together , co-champions maybe ? I found that Ulrich's fide rating is under 2200 but couldnt find Dronov on fide.com. Does he have a fide rating ?
Damn, you'll be fanning the flames with this one Reb....
Why not play a truly mixed game?
Play 10 moves of correspondence chess, then seal a move and play the next 10 moves OTB, seal a move and go back to 10 moves correspondence.
Mar 25, 2011
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The assumption is that in CC both players would be using a computer for assistance.
And I vote for something in the neighborhood of a 9-1 advantage for Anand in real chess, and maybe 6-4 advantage for the other dude.
9-1 are you nuts Ozzie?? Isn't Ulrich Stephan's rating under 2200? I seriously doubt an expert takes 1 out of 10 against the world champ OTB.
Mar 25, 2011
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I was being gracious perhaps. Nevertheless, it is possible, in fact likely, that the CC champion's true OTB strength is significantly higher than 2200.
I would have thought 10-0 Anand otb, and if Pogonina says Anand would take the CC series as well it looks like a crush to me.
I don't understand why some people assume that a sub 2300 player armed with a strong engine would be better than Anand armed with an engine ?! Are y'all nuts ?! 
I recall a couple of amateurs about six years ago winning a computer assisted team chess tournament for big bucks. These guys had very low elos (1600 and 1300 I think). But they were computer experts and milked their computer for everything it was worth. They come out ahead of many strong GM and IM teams. I believe the prize was $16,000.
What if this guy, the correspondence champion, challenges Anand to a computer assisted otb match. This will be mano a mano, no outside help whatsoever other than the chess computers which will be the best available for both sides. The correspondence guy is a computer whiz, and has forgotten more than Anand will ever know about chess computers. He will be able to tweak his engine to its peak performance---does he have a chance?
raul72 wrote:
I recall a couple of amateurs about six years ago winning a computer assisted team chess tournament for big bucks. These guys had very low elos (1600 and 1300 I think). But they were computer experts and milked their computer for everything it was worth. They come out ahead of many strong GM and IM teams. I believe the prize was $16,000.
What if this guy, the correspondence champion, challenges Anand to a computer assisted otb match. This will be mano a mano, no outside help whatsoever other than the chess computers which will be the best available for both sides. The correspondence guy is a computer whiz, and has forgotten more than Anand will ever know about chess computers. He will be able to tweak his engine to its peak performance---does he have a chance?
IMO it wouldnt be a fair match unless they play an equal number of games in both CC and OTB chess. If allowed some months to " prepare " Anand could hire a computer whiz to teach him how to tweak his engine to get the most out of it as well ..... I would still put my money on Anand especially if an equal # of OTB games are played as the amateur would be slaughtered in all of them...
Reb wrote:
IMO it wouldnt be a fair match unless they play an equal number of games in both CC and OTB chess.
The proposal you quoted did suggest an equal number of CC and regular OTB games -- zero of each.
ICCF determines correspondence world champions and ICCF allows computer use so correspondence champions are always computer assisted these days.
Loomis wrote:
Reb wrote:
IMO it wouldnt be a fair match unless they play an equal number of games in both CC and OTB chess.
The proposal you quoted did suggest an equal number of CC and regular OTB games -- zero of each.
You are right that he didnt mention any number for his proposed match. However his proposal suggests CC games but no OTB games which would make it unfair imo. Computer assisted = CC games these days.... at least it does by ICCF rules. 
Fezzik wrote:
I suggest making it 12 games because 5 games in each time control would mean uneven distribution of colors. Anand would win the 6 games OTB with a perfect score.
In a correspondence match, the ICCF World champion would probably win, 4-2 or perhaps only 3.5-2.5. It's really very difficult to win games in correspondence, and the very best ICCF players have found ways to do that.
So in this hypothetical contest that will never happen, Anand would win the combined match 8.5-3.5
I agree that this match will never happen because there is no money for such a match and Anand certainly wouldnt play such a match without a good purse to motivate him to do so. I also agree that Anand would win all of the games in OTB so he would only need to not lose all the games in CC to win the match overall. I think he would manage to do that. How much does a player win for becoming correspondence world champion anyway ?
What if the current OTB world champion ( Anand ) played a match of 20 games against the current world correspondence champion ( Ulrich ? ) , 10 games of OTB chess and 10 of correspondence. Who would you pick to win ? I say Anand wins easily.......