My improvement in tactics do not show in my game performance

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hamburgerperson

What about it jengaias? Does blitz help you improve, if accompanied by analysis? Why can't I do a corresponding squares blocked pawn ending in the last 15 seconds of a bullet game and still expect to reap the benefits in the postmortem?  

I'd like to have an argument please.

hhnngg1

Uhh, yeah. That's pretty obvious. 

But you can practice ALL of that beforehand and then execute during blitz games, further reinforcing it. 

You're sadly very mistaken if you are under the assumption that I don't think during blitz, even at the 3 minute time control. Sure, I don't analyze as deeply as I do during a long game, but it's at least 90% of the same analysis - and sometimes, it's even better because the error rate in calculation goes up a lot the deeper you go.

 

Your concept that playing (and analyzing) blitz games doesn't improve your rating is simply false. You can learn a LOT from blitz - provided you put the effort into analyzing your games and not repeating your mistakes. 

 

What you describe is closer to bullet chess, where most of the game is so fast that you pretty much have to instamove. But at 3 min, and definitely 5 min, you can get a pretty good strategic look at the position if you're a halfway decent blitz player. Pattern recognition is only a (small) part of it - if I made every move that came up instinctively in blitz, I can barely beat 1250-rated players. (That's better than last year, when that number was 1150s!) 

 

The main reason strong chessplayers favor play and study toward long time controls is simple - it's because that's what UCSF rated games and the world championship cycle games are. It's not because they love long games so much more than blitz. In fact, it's definitely the opposite - those same GMs who play all those long games play a LOT more blitz than long games.  

 

The most common reason people keep dogmatically saying blitz doesn't improve you, is because they're looking for an excuse to explain away their low blitz ratings. I used to be one of these folks myself, but now that I actually can play blitz to some degree, I know I was clearly wrong and missed out on a lot of learning opportunities by avoiding blitz.

Diakonia

Speed chess is like speed reading:

"Speed reading is a nice idea, and the ability to see 1000 words a minute is possible. However, you don't truly understand those words."

Long time control chess is comprehending all of the words youre reading.

hamburgerperson

I love listening to a good argument. Here's some theme music.

Nekhemevich

I believe that you play with the skill you are comfortable with. The more you play 10 minute time controls, the better geared you are for 10 minute time controls. As far as tactics, practice those tactics, whether you spend 5 mins on a move or 1 second, you get what you put in.

JM3000

In chess problems you need to find the winning moves. And do tactics is a good exercise. However, in a game of chess:

1) The player can find a winning strike few times. 

2) The player can make a blunder in every move. 

The ability to play safe (safe but not passive, if you can avoid passive moves) moves is more important. 

If you want to work with this you can buy the Dan Heisman Books "Looking for troubles" and "Is your move safe?"  

Diakonia

Study the entirity of chess...well there ya go, problem solved!

MrNossovitch

im sort of the opposite lol i have 950 in tactics only and im higher in blitz and classical. I find it hard to be put into a game that I havnt developped myself and I miss basic strategies that I wouldn't in games. but Ive never payed much attention to tactics so maybe if I trained my tacitcs (instead of moving too fast all the time as if i was on meth, like i do for my games) they would catch up. dunno

Mario_Dominguez

I'll follow advice and analyze the games I play to get better; also watch some videos that help me with my strategy, which I know I lack completely.

Also, would anyone here reccommend any specific books I would benefit from reading? I have no endgame knowledge (aside from playing based on calculation, which can be unreliable in complex endgames); during the opening I'm usually "out of book" in my head by move 5.

Just as a side note, while I'm interested in reading, I have no desire to read about more tactics puzzles, please omit these type of books

Thanks everyone for your answers!

ChessOath
Mario_Dominguez wrote:

I'll follow advice and analyze the games I play to get better; also watch some videos that help me with my strategy, which I know I lack completely.

Also, would anyone here reccommend any specific books I would benefit from reading? I have no endgame knowledge (aside from playing based on calculation, which can be unreliable in complex endgames); during the opening I'm usually "out of book" in my head by move 5.

Just as a side note, while I'm interested in reading, I have no desire to read about more tactics puzzles, please omit these type of books

Thanks everyone for your answers!

You won't improve much. Your attitude towards the longer formats is appalling. You don't even mention them after all of this talk. You've chosen to listen to the few idiots here because it fits your desire to avoid long games. You're wrong and you won't improve nearly as much as you could. Quite frankly, that's what you deserve.

Mario_Dominguez
ChessOath escribió:
Mario_Dominguez wrote:

I'll follow advice and analyze the games I play to get better; also watch some videos that help me with my strategy, which I know I lack completely.

Also, would anyone here reccommend any specific books I would benefit from reading? I have no endgame knowledge (aside from playing based on calculation, which can be unreliable in complex endgames); during the opening I'm usually "out of book" in my head by move 5.

Just as a side note, while I'm interested in reading, I have no desire to read about more tactics puzzles, please omit these type of books

Thanks everyone for your answers!

You won't improve much. Your attitude towards the longer formats is appalling. You don't even mention them after all of this talk. You've chosen to listen to the few idiots here because it fits your desire to avoid long games. You're wrong and you won't improve nearly as much as you could. Quite frankly, that's what you deserve.

I think you misunderstood my post. Nowhere in my post I said I won't play longer games. In fact, I started to play a few more longer games motivated by reading this thread, and while I did lose some games, I did learn from them and I plan on continuing on this path. It is refreshing not to choke on time and not have to blitz random moves to survive on increment.

ChessOath
Mario_Dominguez wrote:

I think you misunderstood my post. Nowhere in my post I said I won't play longer games. In fact, I started to play a few more longer games motivated by reading this thread, and while I did lose some games, I did learn from them and I plan on continuing on this path. It is refreshing not to choke on time and not have to blitz random moves to survive on increment.

I didn't misunderstand your post. You didn't say any of that in your post.

hamburgerperson
Mario_Dominguez wrote:
 

I think you misunderstood my post. Nowhere in my post I said I won't play longer games. In fact, I started to play a few more longer games motivated by reading this thread, and while I did lose some games, I did learn from them and I plan on continuing on this path. It is refreshing not to choke on time and not have to blitz random moves to survive on increment.

For the record I've found amusement in this post. Not because of the criminally insane banter, which is less funny than abuse should be.

Actually it's made me want to start picking the corn out of my blitz. I've never analyzed it before.

cary_galt

M_D ... my question is "What are you after?"  Do you want to become a "master"?  Do you want to become a great short time control player?  Do you want to be better than Fischer/Karpov/ Insert your favorite current name?  The local masters that I know have spent most of their lives living, eating and breathing chess.   They memorize book lines to 15 to 20 moves deep.   They sweat over every tactic until their eyes bulge and their blood pressure pop.  And they hate losing a game of chess more than they care if their mothers take another breath.  While  I have had a deep abiding love for the game since a friend came from Hungary and taught me how to play when I was 5 years old.  (Not well.. by the way) .. And then the Fischer boom in America.. chess is not life and death for me.  Also .. I use to play OTB very timidly .. and would sometimes squeeze a win here or there .. but not often .. and rarely enjoyed the games even if I won.  So .. after many years away .. I joined this site.  And I perform my tactics at about a 50% correct  rate with the tactics trainer here.  I also win about 50% of my 5 minutes games.  I win and lose games to people that are rated 150 points either above or below.  My point is .. I am now playing in a style that suits me.  I find the games I play to be very  exciting and very satisfying.  Whether I win or lose... I enjoy the games I play.  I play the short time controls because that was a primary weakness I had in OTB play.  If I got in time trouble, I would lose almost every game.  So speed play improvement was a goal of mine when I joined this site.  So again ..  what is your goal?  Because maybe you have already succeeded and have not taken time to see it.  Have you changed your goal?  Or, do simply want to become a world class player?  Are you prepared to work harder and longer and sacrifice everything for it?  If not, maybe you need to evaluate your goal.  There is one more thing to consider:  I love music.. I would love to be the world's greatest pop singer.  My singing voice, however, is among the worst I have ever heard.  All the desire and effort in the world will not change the fact that every time I open my throat to sing I create two simultaneous tones that are dissonant with each other.  Maybe, your talent doesn't match your desire and work ethic.  Maybe you will have to work ten times harder than anyone else to achieve your goal.  Or maybe, you simply can't.