my mind is blown that any chess player could be below a 1300

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Kaspo sez "you do not know anything about me, or what I am capable of. . ."

Are you thrrrrrrrrrreatening me?  

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EricFleet wrote:
TalsKnight wrote:

There is a guy at my chess club, thats been playing for over 20 years at the club and his rating is only 900ish.

Folks have different talents and different abilities. Many years ago when I was in high school (the dinosaurs roamed the earth), I went through the same curriculum as was taught in college for Calc 1, 2 and 3 and it was pretty easy for me (and I was double promoted so was younger than the rest of my class)

I took violin in college becuae I like the instrument. After two semesters it was obvious that I would never, ever, ever, ever be any good at it despite my best efforts. It is not something I had a talent for.

Different talents, different people. Nothing to be proud of or ashamed of.

As a musician, I find it hard to believe that it was clear you would never ever be good at the violin when you hadn't even played it for a year. Just out of curiosity, did your "best efforts" involve practicing for several hours a day, recording yourself and listening back for ways to improve, doing aural training, etc.?

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minor7b5 wrote:
 

As a musician, I find it hard to believe that it was clear you would never ever be good at the violin when you hadn't even played it for a year. Just out of curiosity, did your "best efforts" involve practicing for several hours a day, recording yourself and listening back for ways to improve, doing aural training, etc.?

Let's just say that my dog, the family and the neighbors lobbied the UN to declare my playing an act of torture.

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I am a violinist myself. I began playing 20 years ago and now I work in a professional orchestra and I play as a soloist too. 

I am not really talented, however I had the good luck of having parents that are musicians and a very good professor since the beginning. 

In one year it is hard to tell how good you may actually become. Violin is one of the most difficult instruments, and it takes many many years to actually become good. (Unless you are one of those extratalented Koreans that study 12 hours per day and at age 7 already play Paganini caprices at a very good level). 

You must have a good teacher that shows you a proper technique, and you must work very hard on your own. That involves practicing about 4-5 hours a day (Mindful practice!), recording yourself, listening to recordings of great violinists (But real great ones, not the likes of Vanessa Mae or Lindsay Stirling). And after some years you will begin getting good. 

You must have a ton of patience and dedication to be succesful with this instrument. 

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EricFleet wrote:
minor7b5 wrote:
 

As a musician, I find it hard to believe that it was clear you would never ever be good at the violin when you hadn't even played it for a year. Just out of curiosity, did your "best efforts" involve practicing for several hours a day, recording yourself and listening back for ways to improve, doing aural training, etc.?

Let's just say that my dog, the family and the neighbors lobbied the UN to declare my playing an act of torture.

That doesn't surprise me at all (I know that that was a hyperbole, but I still know exactly what you mean). Almost everbody sounds like shit for at least a couple of years when they start playing any instrument, and with string instruments it's even more extreme because it takes a while to come anywhere close to playing in tune. Add that to the fact that when people who are familiar with the violin think about what it sounds like, their reference point is coming from hearing the top 0.1 percent musicians on recordings, and you have a lot of frustrated budding amateur musicians and some very annoyed family members. It just makes me a little sad, because I think that unless you're actually tone-deaf (which is VERY rare, even though many people claim to be) or intellectually disabled, there is no reason that you (or anyone else) shouldn't be able to get some enjoyment out of playing music if they're willing to put some time in and be patient.

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yo

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You heard wrong

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Kasporov_Jr wrote:
dpnorman wrote:

The OP is absolutely full of it. Just totally not acknowledging that chess is a difficult game and that just because he has a talent for chess doesn't mean he can make a thread for nothing other than making fun of low rated players. My mind is blown that anyone would take time out of their day just to be inconsiderate and obnoxious to other people online. I know of many people who are vastly more intelligent than the OP who have been playing chess for years longer than he has without achieving a 1300 rating. That doesn't make them necessarily inferior to anyone, because chess is just a game.

chess is rather easy when you actually study the game well instead of fooling around. no excuse why anyone should be under 1300 with proper instruction of the game for a long period of time.

 

you do not know anything about me, or what I am capable of, so if you could stop saying you know people smarter than me that would be great.

Please read all of my post before responding to it. I tried to be a little less offensive:

Firstly, people do not have an obligation to be good at chess. People have an obligation not to kill infants, for example. As you would say, there is "no excuse why anyone" should murder innocent babies. But chess? People can do whatever they want. If people try to be great at chess, practice for a long time, and don't get anywhere, then so be it. Why call them out on it? Why criticize them for it? Just because it makes you feel better for being better than they are? That's not a good reason, and I know you will say that's not the true reason, but I don't think anyone on this thread will believe you if you do.

Some people are not as naturally good at chess as you are. You are evidently excellent at the game. I am fifteen years old, with a rating of 1360, and I would be very grateful to have a rating as high as yours, and I hope and plan to have a rating somewhere up there before my high school days are over. However, I know people, at my own chess club, even, who have been playing chess for decades longer than I have been alive, without even being able to maintain a rating above 1200- and they have been trying. Does this make them messed up? Does this make them stupid? Is there anything wrong with them? No- in fact several of them are objectively very intelligent. They just don't have natural talent at chess, and their talents are in other areas. Perhaps they are not trying as hard to be great at chess as you are, although they have been working at it for years longer than we have, but they are very intelligent people, and no one has any room, not even Magnus Carlsen, to criticize them just for being sub-1300 players. I hope you realize that with your question and some of your posts, you absolutely come off as offensive to all players rated in the Class E level or below, and this is completely uncalled for given that they committed no offense towward you. I am trying to put this in as gentle terms as possible with as much respect for you as I can muster. Hopefully this will resonate with you and provoke you to stop your arrogance towards lower-rated players.

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LongIslandMark wrote:

I've been told the harmonica is one of the easiest instruments to not sound awful at.

Or is it the kazoo?

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Banjos

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LongIslandMark wrote:
Runner wrote:

interesting that only the senceless part is remembered
It's part of the international (western) internet culture- since you don't have the time to read a long post usually you need to thank the audience that they ready though it- with a potato
http://zusiddiqui.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/sorry.jpg%3Fw%3D519
but hey, the thread is senseless by itself (people smashing their opinions instead of debating) so it really could be the best thing you can learn here^^
Well I'm out. Good luck in progressing in chess, which is not less than just progressing in personality aswell!

For the record, I read your post. It was thoughtful. I guessed it was probably falling on deaf ears.

Thanks for the potatoe.

For the record I am one of the deaf ears

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kaynight wrote:

Looks like we're in duelling banjo country here.

I'll be the guy pumping the gas.

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oh....well then........sigh..You heard right :(

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Best advice in this thread: Clean your butt

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Ahem!

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Piano may be one of the easiest instruments to begin. You do not have to worry at all about being out of tune and you press any key and it will produce a sound. 

Obviously later you will discover that it is a very challenging instrument and has other kind of difficulties. But for just beginning, piano may be one of the best options. 

The triangle is probably the easiest instrument out there. You just must know how to count and have a good rythm, that's all. 

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my hands are not meant for the piano

The triangle and banjos however!

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He can't block all of us, he probably hit his max already

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kaynight escribió:

We've kind of gone off thread here. Thought we were giving the OP hell.

Talking about music is way more productive than keep arguing with that dummy. 

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Which one again?

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Insulting him on his own thread! Impressive!

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