New Fischer movie with spiderman star

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jarkov
woodshover wrote:
thesexyknight wrote:

Everyone here seems to think this movie will be great for chess. Be that as it may, I think professional chess boxing is far greater for the game .


 Why is that? So the chess playing can show how long it takes the boxers to get stupid from boxing concussions?


the way I see it chess-boxing will only go so far, chess-mma is going to be a needed switch. once better boxers start joining it will be more of the "hugging" move to waste time for the side that has the won position on the board.

oinquarki
woodshover wrote:
Estragon wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
Estragon wrote:

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It's not going to be hard to make us all look like weirdo freaks.


We are not Bobby Fischer. 


 

 

You know that, and I know that, and most active chessplayers know that.  The public at large holds stereotypes of chessplayers, which will largely be reinforced even by an accurate portrayl of Fischer's life.


 Do non golfers think that all golfers have a dozen mistresses because of Woods. I would like to think people are smarter than that.


 So would I, and so would everyone. But there's always a great number of idiots out there who make doing so very difficult.

Fischer movie: It should be interesting to see how it comes out, but knowing American and Hollywood culture, more likely than not I'm not going to like it...

orangehonda
oinquarki wrote:
woodshover wrote:
Estragon wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
Estragon wrote:

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It's not going to be hard to make us all look like weirdo freaks.


We are not Bobby Fischer. 


 

 

You know that, and I know that, and most active chessplayers know that.  The public at large holds stereotypes of chessplayers, which will largely be reinforced even by an accurate portrayl of Fischer's life.


 Do non golfers think that all golfers have a dozen mistresses because of Woods. I would like to think people are smarter than that.


 So would I, and so would everyone. But there's always a great number of idiots out there who make doing so very difficult.

Fischer movie: It should be interesting to see how it comes out, but knowing American and Hollywood culture, more likely than not I'm not going to like it...


I wouldn't like it nearly as much if it follows the line of a sports movie... an underdog main character who overcomes all the hurdles to topple the greatest adversary against all odds in the last minute by virtue of his determination, toughness, and skill.

I'd like it more as a character study, with Fischer as a mad genius  Paranoia and all.  Of course that wouldn't sell as many tickets so I don't expect it.  At the end of the day it's a business not an art afterall.

TheGrobe

I do like a good character study, but to do it right you'd need Sean Penn on board.

oinquarki

I think that Bobby Fischer should be played by Will Smith.

Conflagration_Planet
orangehonda wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
woodshover wrote:
Estragon wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
Estragon wrote:

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It's not going to be hard to make us all look like weirdo freaks.


We are not Bobby Fischer. 


 

 

You know that, and I know that, and most active chessplayers know that.  The public at large holds stereotypes of chessplayers, which will largely be reinforced even by an accurate portrayl of Fischer's life.


 Do non golfers think that all golfers have a dozen mistresses because of Woods. I would like to think people are smarter than that.


 So would I, and so would everyone. But there's always a great number of idiots out there who make doing so very difficult.

Fischer movie: It should be interesting to see how it comes out, but knowing American and Hollywood culture, more likely than not I'm not going to like it...


I wouldn't like it nearly as much if it follows the line of a sports movie... an underdog main character who overcomes all the hurdles to topple the greatest adversary against all odds in the last minute by virtue of his determination, toughness, and skill.

I'd like it more as a character study, with Fischer as a mad genius  Paranoia and all.  Of course that wouldn't sell as many tickets so I don't expect it.  At the end of the day it's a business not an art afterall.


 I fully agree.

Painterroy

I'd like to see Michael Bay direct so we can see chess pieces blow up all over the place.

orangehonda
Painterroy wrote:

I'd like to see Michael Bay direct so we can see chess pieces blow up all over the place.


lol, like in movies when something is a little bit on fire, or crashes, it explodes as if it were made of solid hydrogen Laughing  Fischer captures a pawn, then reels back and throws it like a grenade... off in the distance something explodes.

Or as the chess clock expires it's as if it were a bomb timer, close up on the players faces, with eyebrows raised, cut to a close up of the clock....  only a few seconds left!  Then they're running down a hall as a huge fireball chases them, bits of chess pieces flying past their heads, bishops and pawns sticking in the walls like darts, and they crash out of a 3 story window to escape just in time...

Maybe not a lot to do with chess... guess it would attract a different crowd lol.

hentener

You all should know Fischer lived with the polgar family for a time.He helped coach the polgar girls an you can tell from the susan polgar great chess blog site that she an her sisters have a big soft spot in her heart for bobby.So think this over he was known for his hard out downs of women in chess but had a very big part in being one of the two men the other the polgar father in bringinout the god given chess ability of the polgar sisters of which Judith an Susan are still to me the strongest two women in the history of chess.
As always we who play chess an know what a deep game it is love it.There is the rub you have to take the time to learn chess to about a 1500 level to be able to go over a fischer or Morphy or capa  game know what a great work of art yo are looking at.Check out the game Gossip played with the the lion of kentucky whos name starts with the letter S thats all the clue you get an its one of the best mate combos by the little known gossip over the at that time american champion.Thats a example of the art in chess.However any movie which show cases chess can only help the game.There is a cheap but interesting movie already out about bobby which covers him from a yongster thru late adulthood an its better than people give it credit.

TheGrobe

If it's realism you want I think they should make it a cold war superhero movie with Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and Bobby Fischer teaming up to battle the communists and ultimately bring the cold war to a close.

bigpoison
TheGrobe wrote:

If it's realism you want I think they should make it a cold war superhero movie with Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and Bobby Fischer teaming up to battle the communists and ultimately bring the cold war to a close.


What about the Afghans?

TheGrobe

They'll wear them as capes.

TheOldReb
Schachgeek wrote:
Estragon wrote:

I fear the Hollywood version will concentrate on the man's obsessive/compulsive personality, and the descent into near madness after he achieved his life's goal. 

A lot of that material is not going to present a pleasant image of either Bobby or chessplayers in general.  From his match with Reshevsky to relations with US organizers and USCF, to walking out of the Sousse 1967 Interzonal, Ed Edmondson's devoting USCF's full resources to making sure he got in and stayed in the next cycle, nearly refusing to go to Iceland, walking out once he got there, the technical statistical arguments over his demands for match conditions to defend the crown, his involvement with the fringe group the Worldwide Church of God, "I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jail," the anti-Semitic and anti-American tirades, spitting on the State Dept. telegram at his 1992 rematch with Spassky in Yugoslavia and the crazy press conferences there, his arrest in Japan, marriage, and negotiations for asylum in Iceland . . .

It's not going to be hard to make us all look like weirdo freaks.


There's enough drama in Fischers life for a movie and two or three sequels.

We need Peter Jackson to direct this, and maybe Russell Crowe to play Fischer.

If Crowe's not available, Mel Gibson.


 Crowe and Gibson arent tall and lanky like Fischer was.... need someone tall and lanky.... any suggestions ?

gbidari

Adrien Brody probably would have been a better choice if they had to have a "star". I would have preferred they went with an unknown talent who looked more like Fischer.

victhestick

Too bad Steve McQueen is gone.

Spiffe
Estragon wrote:

I fear the Hollywood version will concentrate on the man's obsessive/compulsive personality, and the descent into near madness after he achieved his life's goal.


Frankly, I think that would make for the more interesting movie.  Fischer's rise to glory is well-chronicled, but it was his psychological dissolution afterwards that made him such an enigmatic figure.  A profile balancing his excellence against his flaws would be a very interesting character study.

Whis

Wrong actor.  Should have been Robert Downey Jr.

hentener

From what i can find out the script ends at the end of the 1972 championship.So should not to much of his bad side.Also Toby was after the lead in the movie which some think could be his chance for Oscar award.

electricpawn
Spiffe wrote:
Estragon wrote:

I fear the Hollywood version will concentrate on the man's obsessive/compulsive personality, and the descent into near madness after he achieved his life's goal.


Frankly, I think that would make for the more interesting movie.  Fischer's rise to glory is well-chronicled, but it was his psychological dissolution afterwards that made him such an enigmatic figure.  A profile balancing his excellence against his flaws would be a very interesting character study.


 Chess players will always have his brilliant games and the memory of how he took on the Soviet chess system. The story here is his personal qualities good, bad or indifferent. I think it will be a good movie because Toby McGuire seems to avoid taking parts in bad ones.

Spiffe
electricpawn wrote:

 Chess players will always have his brilliant games and the memory of how he took on the Soviet chess system. The story here is his personal qualities good, bad or indifferent. I think it will be a good movie because Toby McGuire seems to avoid taking parts in bad ones.


Well, I wouldn't get too pumped up for a review of Fischer's brilliance -- a movie made for the general public isn't going to get into any kind of depth about the chess itself.  Joe Six-Pack isn't going to appreciate the unusual significance of the rook v. 5 pawns endgame in Game 13 of the title match.

The story of his ascent just seems kind of bland... prodigy makes good.  Again, I can't see how they'll dramatize how he fought the Soviet chess machine in a way that's understandable to the layman, without making it insulting to chessplayers.  For example, will they just show other players whispering to each other in the middle of the game?

It also seems hollow without addressing the cost of it to his psyche.  Maybe it's not intended to be a character study, but it strikes me like doing a picture about how Hitler revitalized Germany in the 1930s and then ending it with the invasion of Poland.  You can't discuss just part of this public figure.

I dunno, maybe it'll be good, we'll see.  Maguire is a fine actor.