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GWTR
chessspy1 wrote:

 And so, despite the somewhat outrageous claims and poor written English of the introduction, I pushed on, hoping to find at least one or two useful training nuggets.

ironically, Amazon classifies it under ‘Humour and Entertainment’)

 I do get the impression from reading the book that chess programmers comprise Tsvetkov’s primary audience. 

To be honest, I feel that Tsvetkov could be a little biased here by his large experience playing against engines

From a regular reader’s perspective, the tables and precise values aren’t very helpful.

If I had written this book and got this rather poor review I would be disappointed to say the least

Check out the free sample pages of his Human Versus Machine, Part 1, which can be found on amazon.com (esp. pp. 7-12).  As for "a little biased" annotations, check out Alekhine's Best Games of Chessevil.png

GWTR
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
GWTR wrote:
MickinMD wrote:

I have been a sports athlete, a sports coach, a student of Multivariable Calculus, an investor in the Stock Markets, etc., and EVERY one of those areas has books that claim to know "the secret" to succeeding in them.  And EVERY one I was foolish enough to read was garbage!

In every serious field, it takes HARD WORK to succeed and THAT is the only "secret."

Interesting.  Thoughts on gwtr.com?

Are you part of that company?

I might drop you a mail at info@gwtr.com

I am not part of GWTR, but drop me an email there if you like.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
chesed1973 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
hitthepin wrote:
He won’t, and we all know it.

I will, in the future.

When?

When I deem it necessary.

You will know about it.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
chessspy1 wrote:

 And so, despite the somewhat outrageous claims and poor written English of the introduction, I pushed on, hoping to find at least one or two useful training nuggets.

ironically, Amazon classifies it under ‘Humour and Entertainment’)

 I do get the impression from reading the book that chess programmers comprise Tsvetkov’s primary audience. 

To be honest, I feel that Tsvetkov could be a little biased here by his large experience playing against engines

From a regular reader’s perspective, the tables and precise values aren’t very helpful.

If I had written this book and got this rather poor review I would be disappointed to say the least

As*ho*e.

Why don't you print the whole review? : https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-secret-of-chess

You have taken out, SHAMELESSLY, all the bad parts, and even mixed one with another to make the effect stronger.

That is what my opponents are: LIARS.

I am happy with the reading public I have, comprised of good, conscientious, hard-working people.

I don't want to sell my book to you, really.

Where is:

- one of a kind book

- fresh and new approach

- change the way we think about chess

- something that has been missing for a long, long time from chess literature, etc. ?

Where, can you tell me?

I am abhorred, that is what I can say, I am abhorred.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
GWTR wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
GWTR wrote:
MickinMD wrote:

I have been a sports athlete, a sports coach, a student of Multivariable Calculus, an investor in the Stock Markets, etc., and EVERY one of those areas has books that claim to know "the secret" to succeeding in them.  And EVERY one I was foolish enough to read was garbage!

In every serious field, it takes HARD WORK to succeed and THAT is the only "secret."

Interesting.  Thoughts on gwtr.com?

Are you part of that company?

I might drop you a mail at info@gwtr.com

I am not part of GWTR, but drop me an email there if you like.

Would not that be what they call spam?

chesster3145
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chessspy1 wrote:

 And so, despite the somewhat outrageous claims and poor written English of the introduction, I pushed on, hoping to find at least one or two useful training nuggets.

ironically, Amazon classifies it under ‘Humour and Entertainment’)

 I do get the impression from reading the book that chess programmers comprise Tsvetkov’s primary audience. 

To be honest, I feel that Tsvetkov could be a little biased here by his large experience playing against engines

From a regular reader’s perspective, the tables and precise values aren’t very helpful.

If I had written this book and got this rather poor review I would be disappointed to say the least

As*ho*e.

Why don't you print the whole review? : https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-secret-of-chess

You have taken out, SHAMELESSLY, all the bad parts, and even mixed one with another to make the effect stronger.

That is what my opponents are: LIARS.

I am happy with the reading public I have, comprised of good, conscientious, hard-working people.

I don't want to sell my book to you, really.

Where is:

- one of a kind book

- fresh and new approach

- change the way we think about chess

- something that has been missing for a long, long time from chess literature, etc. ?

Where, can you tell me?

I am abhorred, that is what I can say, I am abhorred.

There's no denying that it is a "one of a kind book" and offers a "fresh and new approach" that could conceivably "change the way we think about chess", but that doesn't necessarily make it good. Let me remind you that Smerdon said it had the potential to change the way we think about chess, not that it would, and that a "one of a kind book" with a "fresh and new approach" means nothing if not supported by facts, and that - wouldn't you know it - the one thing the book is lacking is facts. You cannot prove that you played any of those games, and multiple credible members have cast substantial doubt on the conditions of the games, which are alleged to have taken place with massive time handicaps and with a copy of Stockfish which has been manipulated to play at a lower strength.

chesed1973
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chesed1973 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
hitthepin wrote:
He won’t, and we all know it.

I will, in the future.

When?

When I deem it necessary.

You will know about it.

Judging by the forums I would think it necessary unless the air of mystery is helping book sales. Don’t get me wrong. I would pull for you even.

GWTR
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
GWTR wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
GWTR wrote:
MickinMD wrote:

I have been a sports athlete, a sports coach, a student of Multivariable Calculus, an investor in the Stock Markets, etc., and EVERY one of those areas has books that claim to know "the secret" to succeeding in them.  And EVERY one I was foolish enough to read was garbage!

In every serious field, it takes HARD WORK to succeed and THAT is the only "secret."

Interesting.  Thoughts on gwtr.com?

Are you part of that company?

I might drop you a mail at info@gwtr.com

I am not part of GWTR, but drop me an email there if you like.

Would not that be what they call spam?

Yeah, but I like to mess with those guys😂

yaeby

я ебу что ли?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chessspy1 wrote:

 And so, despite the somewhat outrageous claims and poor written English of the introduction, I pushed on, hoping to find at least one or two useful training nuggets.

ironically, Amazon classifies it under ‘Humour and Entertainment’)

 I do get the impression from reading the book that chess programmers comprise Tsvetkov’s primary audience. 

To be honest, I feel that Tsvetkov could be a little biased here by his large experience playing against engines

From a regular reader’s perspective, the tables and precise values aren’t very helpful.

If I had written this book and got this rather poor review I would be disappointed to say the least

As*ho*e.

Why don't you print the whole review? : https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-secret-of-chess

You have taken out, SHAMELESSLY, all the bad parts, and even mixed one with another to make the effect stronger.

That is what my opponents are: LIARS.

I am happy with the reading public I have, comprised of good, conscientious, hard-working people.

I don't want to sell my book to you, really.

Where is:

- one of a kind book

- fresh and new approach

- change the way we think about chess

- something that has been missing for a long, long time from chess literature, etc. ?

Where, can you tell me?

I am abhorred, that is what I can say, I am abhorred.

There's no denying that it is a "one of a kind book" and offers a "fresh and new approach" that could conceivably "change the way we think about chess", but that doesn't necessarily make it good. Let me remind you that Smerdon said it had the potential to change the way we think about chess, not that it would, and that a "one of a kind book" with a "fresh and new approach" means nothing if not supported by facts, and that - wouldn't you know it - the one thing the book is lacking is facts. You cannot prove that you played any of those games, and multiple credible members have cast substantial doubt on the conditions of the games, which are alleged to have taken place with massive time handicaps and with a copy of Stockfish which has been manipulated to play at a lower strength.

People who HAVE READ the book don't think so: https://www.expert-chess-strategies.com/human-versus-machine.html

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
yaeby wrote:

я ебу что ли?

Ty Russkiy, da?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

The Secret of Chess is this nice position:
 

What do you think about it, can you win it with black?

 

CheesyPuns

g4, h5, f3 black can breakthrough?

chesed1973

Chess.com has a show called "Man vs Machine". I would love to see you as a guest on it.

GWTR
chesed1973 wrote:

Chess.com has a show called "Man vs Machine". I would love to see you as a guest on it.

That would be cool.  I suggested LT as a guest for a/the top chess podcast, and the host thinks it is a good idea and has added LT to his list of desired guests!

chesster3145

We will see if LT can actually prove anything there...

FrancisCominelli
The guy clearly put a lot of work into writing this book. Give him credit for having the courage to publish his ideas, knowing that they would be controversial and met with skepticism. Even if some of his analysis is flawed, he does demonstrate a new potential way of looking at chess. Certain positions that are considered advantageous in practical otb play might not get you any advantage with perfect play from a computer, while other positional considerations are more important to consider when playing a computer. Maybe this will inspire others to do further study.
FrancisCominelli
@Lyudmil_Tsvetkov, don't get discouraged by people's comments. People like to criticize, but they have no original ideas of their own. Try to get some more serious reviews and make edits to your book based on their commentary, as you feel necessary.
rjbuffchix
FrancisCominelli wrote:
The guy clearly put a lot of work into writing this book. Give him credit for having the courage to publish his ideas, knowing that they would be controversial and met with skepticism. Even if some of his analysis is flawed, he does demonstrate a new potential way of looking at chess. Certain positions that are considered advantageous in practical otb play might not get you any advantage with perfect play from a computer, while other positional considerations are more important to consider when playing a computer. Maybe this will inspire others to do further study.

This!!

rk12387

 

I wonder why black blundered here with Bc6? Allowing white a winning attack with Ng4. It would make more sense to play something like cxd4, to open up lines for the rook right? You could follow it up with Ba4 perhaps.