Ofc it's cheating. They are using your moves in one game to put into another. What's the difference between that and putting them into an engine or playing them against a GM? Using your own moves is just much more blatant and obviously done for a reaction. Draw the games, take the rating loss if you have to, and treat the player as you would any ordinary cheat - block, report, name-and-shame or whatever and move on.
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Gyryth wrote:
Ofc it's cheating. They are using your moves in one game to put into another. What's the difference between that and putting them into an engine or playing them against a GM? Using your own moves is just much more blatant and obviously done for a reaction. Draw the games, take the rating loss if you have to, and treat the player as you would any ordinary cheat - block, report, name-and-shame or whatever and move on.
No such thing in chess. That is why you have openings with many variations, players copy them.
Seriously? If taking the moves of another player/engine while your game is in progess and just duplicating them on your board is legal, then I am Garry Kasparov.
No, it's cheating and will get your account closed. I'd report the offending user.
TheGrobe wrote:
No, it's cheating and will get your account closed. I'd report the offending user.
Is this mentioned in the chess.com rules?
No, not expicitly, but I know that it is cheating here and is a bannable offense.
pelly13 wrote:
Active : Is your greatness willing to give us simple folks the solution ? Bet you need more time to think it over. Mouth is faster than the brain.
A solution to what? What are you talking about?
pelly13 wrote:
Maybe Active King Bigmouth has found a way ? Let's await his solution.
The one already given or what?
The outwait your opponent solution doesn't work unless you're willing to burn more vacation time then them.
For every extra minute you wait in Game A, they just have to wait that same extra minute in Game B and you're back where you started.
If you have more vacation time it would work though.
It's too bad chess.com lets you build up an absurd amount of vacation time.
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ActiveKing schreef:
woton wrote:
If I make my move as white when they have gone to sleep (or to work), it will be 8 to 10 hours before they make their move as white. In a one day per move time control, they will then have 16 hours to make their move as black, but I will have 24 hours. Therefore, they have to make their move as black before I make mine.
I need to remind people that they are being very stupid, the solution is simple and you don't need to use any vacation time.
Short of memory ?
Selective memory.
TheGrobe wrote:
No, not expicitly, but I know that it is cheating here and is a bannable offense.
No doubt the staff leave themselves some leaway when deciding what is cheating, even if not explicity handled by the existing rules (this seems reasonable). But surely can we agree that the following scenario does not invovle cheating: I notice a game between 2 other members that has the exact position as a rated correspondence game that I'm currently playing. I have black and it's my turn. It's also black's turn in the other game, and the player with black in that game is a master. I wait to see what she plays, I like it, so I play it too.
What do you think? Seems to me that once a move is made public, it's fair to use it. Just as fair as if I had found it in an opening book, or in the openings explorer
pelly13 wrote:
ActiveKing schreef:
woton wrote:
If I make my move as white when they have gone to sleep (or to work), it will be 8 to 10 hours before they make their move as white. In a one day per move time control, they will then have 16 hours to make their move as black, but I will have 24 hours. Therefore, they have to make their move as black before I make mine.
I need to remind people that they are being very stupid, the solution is simple and you don't need to use any vacation time.
Short of memory ?
I don't understand. Why are you pointing out that the solution has already been given just like I said? Are you retarded?
TurboFish wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:
No, not expicitly, but I know that it is cheating here and is a bannable offense.
No doubt the staff leave themselves some leaway when deciding what is cheating, even if not explicity handled by the existing rules (this seems reasonable). But surely can we agree that the following scenario does not invovle cheating: I notice a game between 2 other members that has the exact position as a rated correspondence game that I'm currently playing. I have black and it's my turn. It's also black's turn in the other game, and the player with black in that game is a master. I wait to see what she plays, I like it, so I play it too.
What do you think? Seems to me that once a move is made public, it's fair to use it. Just as fair as if I had found it in an opening book, or in the openings explorer
Well, that scenario's not all that different from using the opening explorer here, or any other database of master games, all of which are allowable resources (except for in Live) provided they do not also contain engine evaluation data.
This is more an issue of explicitly mirroring back moves, especially in a tournament setting. If there are multiple simulataneous games in a round this can be done between players, or if both games between players start at the same time in a round, this can be done directly to a single player. This is what is considered cheating, even though it only guarantees a 0.500 record for the games in question.
Incidentally, there are ways to limit or even eliminate the possibility for anyone to do this in the tournament settings by controlling how many games start simultaneously for a given round.
ActiveKing wrote:
pelly13 wrote:
ActiveKing schreef:
woton wrote:
If I make my move as white when they have gone to sleep (or to work), it will be 8 to 10 hours before they make their move as white. In a one day per move time control, they will then have 16 hours to make their move as black, but I will have 24 hours. Therefore, they have to make their move as black before I make mine.
I need to remind people that they are being very stupid, the solution is simple and you don't need to use any vacation time.
Short of memory ?
I don't understand. Why are you pointing out that the solution has already been given just like I said? Are you retarded?
Very obviously a wind-up.
Member since January 9th 2014 (yesterday). This thread is being trolled.
TheGrobe wrote:
Very obviously a wind-up.
Member since January 9th 2014 (yesterday). This thread is being trolled.
The site appears to have enough trolls. It also appears to have enough idiots. I am not trolling, everything I have said makes perfect sense.
woton wrote:
If someone were doing this to me, I would find a way to use the clock against them. I think that the following might work: If I make my move as white when they have gone to sleep (or to work), it will be 8 to 10 hours before they make their move as white. In a one day per move time control, they will then have 16 hours to make their move as black, but I will have 24 hours. Therefore, they have to make their move as black before I make mine.
This is the solution you referenced earlier, it doesn't actually work if your opponent just does it right back to you.
Moves are usually copied during the first ten of the opening anyhow. Sicilian, english etc are all copied. What is the big deal if he copies your moves? They have been doing it for years.