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corrijean wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Joseph-S wrote:
corrijean wrote:
 

Caring has been externalized out of communities and families. It is now the responsibility of the government. 

 A role it has wrongfully usurped.

I don't understand what you two are talking about? 

It is just my opinion and I haven't read anything about it, but I think that FDR started the US down a path of externalizing functions formerly done by communities and family onto the government. For example, instead of mom and pop coming to live with the kids when they get older, they now get social security. I think it led to a shift in how communities function. You don't have to be nice to your neighbor if the government will help you when you fall on hard times. 

Of course, the old system had plenty of flaws, too. I feel like I need to read some literature on this topic, so if anyone knows of anything good, please let me know.

I have a shelf on this topic, mostly dealing with how the New Deal killed off urban political machines, which provided local welfare and social moblity options in return for support.  I'm too lazy to go look for it right now.  For now, consider anything written by twentieth century historian Daniel Boorstin.  (He also wrote a book on how baseball was an amalgamation of the pastoral ideal with the new modes of life prompted by industrialization.  Bigpoison might be interested in that one.)

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liberals suck; conservatives suck; politics sucks sucks sucks sucks sux but yes on this site at least the moderators are too conservative; dinna value freedom of speech; censoring fascist cops with itchy trigger fingers and a god-complex. 

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johnmusacha wrote:
corrijean wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Joseph-S wrote:
corrijean wrote:
 

Caring has been externalized out of communities and families. It is now the responsibility of the government. 

 A role it has wrongfully usurped.

I don't understand what you two are talking about? 

It is just my opinion and I haven't read anything about it, but I think that FDR started the US down a path of externalizing functions formerly done by communities and family onto the government. For example, instead of mom and pop coming to live with the kids when they get older, they now get social security. I think it led to a shift in how communities function. You don't have to be nice to your neighbor if the government will help you when you fall on hard times. 

Of course, the old system had plenty of flaws, too. I feel like I need to read some literature on this topic, so if anyone knows of anything good, please let me know.

I have a shelf on this topic, mostly dealing with how the New Deal killed off urban political machines, which provided local welfare and social moblity options in return for support.  I'm too lazy to go look for it right now.  For now, consider anything written by twentieth century historian Daniel Boorstin.  (He also wrote a book on how baseball was an amalgamation of the pastoral ideal with the new modes of life prompted by industrialization.  Bigpoison might be interested in that one.)

I can safely say that I have never seen Boorstin mentioned in a chess forum before. Or anywhere, except for 1 book that I picked up at a 2nd hand bookshop 30 years ago. "The Sociology of the Absurd" is hilarious satire. A bit like Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal" No doubt it opened a few doors for him early in his career.

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Anyway, a good political book: The Secret Knowledge by David Mamet.

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johnmusacha wrote:
corrijean wrote:
bigpoison wrote:
Joseph-S wrote:
corrijean wrote:
 

Caring has been externalized out of communities and families. It is now the responsibility of the government. 

 A role it has wrongfully usurped.

I don't understand what you two are talking about? 

It is just my opinion and I haven't read anything about it, but I think that FDR started the US down a path of externalizing functions formerly done by communities and family onto the government. For example, instead of mom and pop coming to live with the kids when they get older, they now get social security. I think it led to a shift in how communities function. You don't have to be nice to your neighbor if the government will help you when you fall on hard times. 

Of course, the old system had plenty of flaws, too. I feel like I need to read some literature on this topic, so if anyone knows of anything good, please let me know.

I have a shelf on this topic, mostly dealing with how the New Deal killed off urban political machines, which provided local welfare and social moblity options in return for support.  I'm too lazy to go look for it right now.  For now, consider anything written by twentieth century historian Daniel Boorstin.  (He also wrote a book on how baseball was an amalgamation of the pastoral ideal with the new modes of life prompted by industrialization.  Bigpoison might be interested in that one.)

I've read The Seekers before, but it's been a very long time. I'm about ready to run out of something to read, so I'll look one of his books up.

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Could someone explain to me what this is all about

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Boorstin's bad Zinn's blink blink Chompsky's chillin  

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Noam Chomsky? I've read a bit about him. Seems like he had some good ideas, and some bad ideas.

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Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.