Playing an opening vs. someone who doesn't know anything about openings

Nc3 is not very flexible with a bishop early on c4- white sometimes needs this square for the c2 pawn.

1.e4 c5 2.Bc4 e6 3.Qe2!? (Cicak's recipe) is certainly interesting.

http://www.chess.com/games/view?id=4411162

I think that in the positions with Ne7 (seriously?) the resulting positions look like the positions in tarrasch french except the bishop is on the stupid square f8. (Okay, the white knight is on c3 but that is okay.) If like white plays d4 or something.

The problem with the above diagram in my mind is the following:

I played 6.Be2 and didn't do the check which means.

Your knight on e7 is still a trouble piece.

If I do a check you have a chance to move away that trouble piece.

By leaving your knight on e7. I make it so you have to move that knight again.

Now your pawn move d4 does nothing to address the issue with the e7 knight. Your attempt is to try and move away one of my developed pieces.

However, by playing the move d4 your pawns can be over extended and targeted.

Also You are leaving alot of holes in your position. The c4 square is a very juicy square for white now.

You may be kicking my knight however. I would not mind playing Nb1 here than rerouting to c4.

Even if I play Nb1 here I still have 2 developed pieces and I am fixing to castle. I also have a nice juicy square the c4 square for my pieces.

I also can play moves like c3 striking at your center in a timely fashion.

I would like to consolidated my position at this point.

I believe moves like Bc4, d3, castle, a4 , Na3

coupled with a timely c3 move. Will all be very beneficial to white here.

Furthermore, I have time to do all of these plans because it will take you 3 moves to castle still.

Not to mention all of the pawns you have to gaurd which are over extended. An the fact I will try to control the E file.

It is safe to say white has clear short term plans and a long term plan of breaking with c3.

During this whole process which it will take some time to do this as white.

What exactly is black going to be doing?

You have no pawn breaks to even speak of.

The move d4 fixes the pawns. It now limits your future options.

I don't have to worry about a c4 push or a d4 push now because you have already done so with out me even having to probe for you to do them.

You are under the impression that by playing d4 you stop my d4 pawn move.

However, the reason why white will want to play d4 is to fix the pawn structure. I want to know what I am dealing with.

Will you take on d4 and give me a isolated pawn to target.

Will you push to c4 so I can undermine.

That is what d4 by white does. It makes white have insurance of creating a plan because as long as those black pawns are side by side I always have to worry on what black will do what push will black do.

In this case you done it for me already.

Your 1 d4 pawn move has given me a plan which will take me close to 10 moves.

Nb1, 0-0, Re1, a4, Bc4, d3, Na3, h3, Rac1, c3

It will also take you 3 moves to castle which means I can get 3 of these moves done with out worry that you will do anything on your end except to castle.

In some random order these moves will be done and the black position will begin to feel positional pressure

Well, everything you say may be true.  So, it would behoove black to try and whip something up before white can get organized.  I'd probably g6 after your Nb1 and then Bg7, O-O... just as you bring your Re1.  Beyond that it gets really murky for me to visualize.  I've put a few rudimentary moves on the board but as black here I don't think it's too bad.  It's been a long day so could well be wrong.  I just think that since you allowed d4 I should take it.  Space is space and there's still a whole game to play.  

@chungle

I like your g6 move and I also had a similar idea I was planning to play Bf6 in my 1 line way above.

I ran the position we are talking about through a computer engine and its kind of funny.

It gives this position as = equal -0.20

So its equal slightly in blacks favor.

However, Black does have more space.

Which usually the side with more space will get some advantage for sure.

However, I find it surpising. It does not believe one side is hugely dominating here.

The engine also does not like my Nb1 move

It believes Ne4 keeps the position equal for white.

After Nb1 is played it gives Ng6 as the strongest move for black with -0.40 advantage to black

It doesn't like the move g6 alot

However, it was not a very bad move. Probably not the most precise but still reasonable for sure.

Apparenly Ng6 is the way to go. However, even than the position it gives is extremely unclear. How to make progress as a human?

We have to come up with plans obviously as humans. So trying to come up with some plans may be hard in a position like this.

I think whites plan might be some what more simple than blacks plans. Which blacks plans and moves seem to be some what odd indeed.

It is obviously more tricky in positions were they are not alot of pawn breaks.

Now lets shift to the move 6.Bb5+

The above position there is dead equal 0.00 lol

In fact it likes my Nec6 move.

It has it as one of the top canidate moves other move being Nbc6.

It is nice that a computer likes some of our idea's here. An that after figuring this out on our own we was able to improve some idea's with the computer help.

Obviously I am very happy I found that Nec6 move with out the computer. Seemed like such a nice move. Moving the piece away that is causing some grief in the position.

However, I would like to make it clear. That the move 2.Bc4?!  is a dubious move and there are better ways of playing against it than what we are showing here.

Obviously people who have not read what we have been saying might get the impression 2.Bc4 is the greatest move of all time. That is furthest from the truth.

It is very questionable.

Lastly I would like to show a line which is simple yet it is effective.

The position is completely equal in only 5 moves.

There is no need to make it hard on yourself.

Trying to make a position equal or with an advantage which takes 15 precise moves is some what crazy in this position.

Obviously the move 2.Bc4 is not great.

Trying to memorize a whole serious of lines based on 1 dubious move is rather far fetched.

Especially since this is a line you may never encounter again. Especially against stronger players.

Me and chungle are showing moves which are like 13 moves, 9 moves deep on different variations which we probably never see play. We are doing it for fun and discussion.

However, You can be assured if my opponent plays the move 2.Bc4

I will not play all of the lines we talked about. I'll play the simple 5 move line.

In 1 month we will probably forget everything we said about this line.

Reason why is because it doesn't get seen often. Studying a line you never see is not going to improve your chess.

All you do is hit the bishop in that 5 move line than develop your bishop to b7.

It can't be any more easier.

I want to be clear.

I am not trying to force anyone to play the line I am showing.

I am just trying to make a point that if you want to improve as a chess player.

You are going to want to spend your time on openings which matter.

The move 2.Bc4 is dubious and spending all your time learning variation after variation isn't going to improve your overall understanding.

Simply because you may never seen that line that often.

What ever line you chose to play against 2.Bc4 make sure it is easy and that you can get a simple playable position.

That is all you want.

Don't stress yourself over this line. If you want to stress yourself do it over the Open Sicilian.

Something which you might play against every game.

Impressive work, x.  Kudos.

Well congrats to you as well man.

The computer loved your d4 move.

I felt like it might come under some pressure. However, It seems like welcoming the pressure is ok since you gain some space for some time.