Why don't I get a mention Lola? Why? I feel my post was helpful and nice and the other thing cc asked for that I can't remeber now. It even had more keystrokes than most. Is it too much to ask for a mention?
Promoting to....A PAWN ? Can it Help ?
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Jul 25, 2017
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#43
Ur right H-E....about it really not being a promotion. So sorry....
....but I feel that it being able to 'reverse' course is too fairyish & disruptive....just my opinion. 'Cuz if one were to overintroduce ?....then we go from Pandora's Box to Jack-in-the-Box w/ all sorts of surprizing wild stuff jumping out & being 'what-if'ed'.
I keep saying to myself "Baby Steps".
Jul 25, 2017
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#44
NMinSixMonths wrote:
I'm sure leaving it a pawn would be useful in some positions where one side is trying to force a stalemate, where getting any piece would allow them a move and thus a loss.
The question becomes does the game need another addition to wrangle a stalemate ?....We certainly don't need any more draws !....agreed ?
But a stalemate is intrinsically different, tho' it still yields 0.5 point. Many stalemates show resourcefulness that ends up turning a desperate frown face upside down to a happy face in (1) move.
I like when someone finds a unexpected stalemate when down like (2) queens & a rook !
Jul 25, 2017
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#45
My thinking is that turning a pawn into a horse is pretty fairyish already , not to mention queens. Why stop the fairy stuff there?
Jul 25, 2017
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#46
It should be the choice of the player to decide what they wanna do w/ their promotable pawn....NOT THE RULEBOOK WRITERS !
They're not the ones playing AND they shouldn't decide outcomes based on arbitrary, anal, & random yesteryear tradition.
Tho' I do stop short of promoting to another King or, gawd forbid, a opposing piece.
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
The above isn't true Rasta (ez on the puff'nstuff).
1. b8=p 1...Ra1#.
That is if white is south (bottom).
Not if the pawn takes the rook and stays pawn.. Don't be too fast to judge peoples characters by their names..
I realise now that the annotation was wrong, maybe bxa8=p?
Jul 25, 2017
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#50
Well, ur the one who named urself.
....and pleez don't. I'm from the islands, okay ?
Pleez don't what?
Rasta_Jay wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
The above isn't true Rasta (ez on the puff'nstuff).
1. b8=p 1...Ra1#.
That is if white is south (bottom).
Not if the pawn takes the rook and stays pawn.. Don't be too fast to judge peoples characters by their names..
I realise now that the annotation was wrong, maybe bxa8=p?
Unfortunately bxa8=p is followed by Nxh3#, but the stalemate idea is something like that.
Rasta_Jay wrote:
This position is -M3 but if white could promote to b8=p then it's a stalemate
CHess was more fun when you were only allowed to promote a pawn to the piece that is behind it at the start, i.e A-pawn=rook B-pawn = knight,,
Perhaps in that diagram, if the Black knight is on e4 instead of g5, the Black king is on h3 instead of g3, and the White bishop does not exist, bxa8=p would lead to stalemate.
EDIT: Sorry my argument above fails, Bf2# is checkmate.
As to whether the position in the diagram is legal or not (whether the position can be reached or reconstructed from the starting position of an ordinary game), it is another story.
Jul 25, 2017
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#54
"Promoting" a pawn to a pawn which opened up a line and delivered a discovered attack for checkmate would be an example of a good move you could make by promoting a pawn to a pawn. Promoting to a more valuable piece may yield the same result, but not better in this case.
@eric0022 check the position now.. bxa8=p is stalemate
How about, say, bxa8=p Kf4? The bishop can still move. Remember that White is trying all he can to make the stalemate happen, but in contrast Black will do all he can to prevent the stalemate, so a forced stalemate can only happen after bxa8=p if all of Black's available legal moves lead to an immediate stalemate.
Sorry, but I am playing the evil guy ruining your good intentions.
If I may, I would like to modify your diagram to illustrate a possible stalemate.
Ok I am being a bit drastic here. You can verify that any of Black's legal moves after bxa8=p is stalemate.
No you are not ruining it, I like it.. I see how inferior my thoughts are and can improve on it.. I will not sleep until I make a viable one..
Kf4 is still a draw with Bxg2 ..
Couldn't find a realistic stalemate that could occur in a game, all I can come up with are superficial ones :/
Jul 25, 2017
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#60
tmodel66 wrote:
"Promoting" a pawn to a pawn which opened up a line and delivered a discovered attack for checkmate would be an example of a good move you could make by promoting a pawn to a pawn. Promoting to a more valuable piece may yield the same result, but not better in this case.
The key ingredient is to leave a pawn as a pawn to where no other piece can perform that same benign function.
I'm trying to build a case where the player is not forced to promote to a more valuable piece. IOW's, I want the rulebook to stay the he!! outta the game as much as "humanly" possible & let the players settle it on their own accord.
The TD should only be there to settle disputes & her/his guide is the rulebook.
The above isn't true Rasta (ez on the puff'nstuff).
1. b8=p 1...Ra1#.
That is if white is south (bottom).