"Cheating and Chess"

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I remember watching this when it originally aired in 2004.

This may be where "OBIT" got the idea...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAXIubSTkc

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One inaccurate statement on top of another and all because you know history very poorly.

>Stalin may not have been intenselky interested in chess, but his confidante, Krylenko, was.

Stalin had no personal relations with Krylenko, why do you call him "confidante"? He was butchered in 1938 like many other old bolsheviks.

>Jose Raul Capablanca also held diplomatic credentials from Cuba as an Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary.  It would have been perfectly reasonable for Stalin to have met with him as a courtesy.

and thus such meeting would be registered and it was not.

>nor Lililenthal (a Hungarian living in USSR and soon-to-be Soviet citizen), nor Flohr (a Czechoslovakian Jew born in the Ukraine, and later a Soviet citizen)

None of then in 1936 could even imagine that they will become Soviet citizens.

>none of the Soviets in the tournament, dared to defeat Botvinnik.

Could defeat, you'd say. And it was not the case in 1935.

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Andor Lilienthal had been born in Moscow and left for Hungary with his family at the ago of two. He was living full-time in Moscow from 1835. He played his last event for Hungary (the Stockholm Olympiad) in 1937. He became a Soviet citizen by 1940.

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Samuel Reshevsky was also born in Russia. Would you accuse him that he's lost to Botwinnik on purpose in 1948? Go on, Jamie: paranoia has no bounds. 

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Reshevsky was born in Ozorkow, Poland, and was an ethic Polish Jew.  He did not ever want to live in the Soviet Union, unlike Lilienthal and Flohr.

Facts are funny things.

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Really?  Another cheating thread?  You're obsessed.

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Do you want me to block you?  Or will you go away on you own?

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Lighten up, Francis.

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Thanks for playing.

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JamieDelarosa wrote:

Reshevsky was born in Ozorkow, Poland, and was an ethic Polish Jew.  He did not ever want to live in the Soviet Union, unlike Lilienthal and Flohr.

Facts are funny things.

Reshevsky was born in the Russian Empire. As for example Tartakover or Menchik. 

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Per Wikipedia:

Reshevsky was born at Ozorków near Łódź (in Poland). He learned to play chess at age four and was soon acclaimed as a child prodigy. At age eight, he was beating many accomplished players with ease and giving simultaneous exhibitions. In November 1920, his parents moved to the U.S. to make a living by publicly exhibiting their child's talent. Reshevsky played thousands of games in exhibitions all over the U.S. He played in the 1922 New York Masters tournament; at that stage, he was likely the youngest-ever player to have competed in a strong tournament.

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In 1911 Poland did not exist.

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I did say "ethnic Polish Jew" is reference to Reshevsky.  Poland may have lost its political independence from 1795 to 1918, but the people did not lose their national identity.

Your point, Marignon, still borders on the bizarre.  Reshevsky was not ever Russian.

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No, Jamie, YOUR point is bizzare when you try to draw any conclusions from the fact that Liliental was born in Moscow. For all I know, he was "ethnic Hungarian Jew".

>Poland may have lost its political independence from 1795 to 1918, but the people did not lose their national identity.

I do not think that Reshevsky ever identified himself with Poland. If you know, its government under Pilsudsky and followers was strongly antisemitic.

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The point I made regarding Lilienthal, was that, by 1936, he was once again a resident of Moscow, the place he was born.  These are historical facts.

When Reshevsky was brought to the United States, at the age of 8 years, he spoke Polish and Yiddish.

From his obituary:

Samuel Herman Rzeszewski, as his name was spelled until 1924, was born on Nov. 26, 1911, in Ozorkow, Poland, where his mother and father, a one-time linen merchant in nearby Lodz, were Orthodox Jews. Even before learning chess, the youngster acquired a devotion to his religion that never lapsed, and for a generation nothing in the world of chess was as certain as the knowledge that he would not play on the Sabbath.

There was always intense interest in how the boy had come by his talent and learned the game. When "Schmulke," as he was known, was 5 years old, his father, a good amateur player, showed him the moves. A few weeks later, the boy interrupted one of his father's games and told him he was about to make a bad move. Thereupon, Schmulke took over, won the game and was on his way.

He made his first appearance in Vienna in 1918, when he was 6, but it was not until two years later, under the supervision of the first of many managers, that he staged his first grand tour of European capitals. He faced dozens of top players in simultaneous exhibitions and won acclaim as the "boy wonder of chess."

Young Reshevsky, his parents and manager sailed for America in 1920, and in a week the boy had laid the foundation of his American legend. Taking on 20 top faculty players at the United States Military Academy at West Point at once, he quickly beat 19, including the head of the mathematics department, giving up one grudging draw, and overnight became the most famous player in the country.

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This is from Lilienthal's obituary:

Lilienthal was born in Moscow on May 5, 1911 to Hungarian Jewish parents. He moved to Hungary at age two. He played for Hungary in three Chess Olympiads, 1933, 1935, and 1937. Emigrating to the Soviet Union in 1935, he became a Soviet citizen in 1939. Lilienthal played in the USSR Chess Championship eight times, with his best result being a first place tie with Igor Bondarevsky in 1940. He qualified for the Candidates' Tournament once, in 1948.

From 1951 until 1960 he was Tigran Petrosian's trainer. Lilienthal began a friendship with Vasily Smyslov in 1938, and was Smyslov's second in his world championship matches against Botvinnik. He retired from tournament play in 1965 and returned to Hungary in 1976.

He and Reshevsky were the same age.

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metizorr wrote:

The problem that is very obvious, is the amount of cheating going on. Yes people get offended but what's worse is , the cheating. I had a previous account in 2012 for a few years and I noticed most players have accusations about time hacking and using a chess bot on their profile. This is becoming more increasingly significant on this server. But not only here but other places as well, theres just no getting away from it. 

How I wish Chess.com  would impliment a Auto kick system like most shootem up games have. So if the hacker what ever he or she is using the system would just kick that offending player on the spot, it would cut the cheating down to almost down to pretty much zero.

 

P.S. If someone has been tagged like I noticed many player's are, why doesn't the player read a profile before playing that person.

Slander is not worse than cheating. Cheating is by far the greatest act of deceitfulness , and dishonour you can do in any game. It shows a lack of respect for anyone play the game. It shows the lack of brain cells that player might have and it clearly shows they can't play chess if they need a computer or what ever they are using to play for them.

This is a massive problem that chess.com are having and most online chess servers/ People say it's not a big deal, please it happens everyday on this server. And their are players that are still here who havent been banned wtf chess.com??. You report them and they are still playing seriously. Whats the point to report a cheater or someone using multiple accounts to chess.com when they clealry do nothing about it. 

Is there a way to read a profile when it comes to a timed game?   And what should I look for?

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Ah, But building the holy V3 temple is most important here.

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