"win at all cost" approach

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 I think most top GMs are sporting enough to accept a well played game by their opponent and do not want to win because of a mistake caused by exhaustion. They do not believe in a "win at all costs" theory but are gentle enough to accept a draw. They would like to win only if they played better than their opponent. They do not covet a win by defeating an exhausted opponent.


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Wusses!  That's why Fischer clobbered the lot of em!

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To win in such a way would diminish their craft and hard work.  The talk would then be of the opponents blunder and not the skill in the victory..  

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I think that statement makes sense. After all, why would a top rated GM be counting on his opponent to make a foolish mistake in order to win? No, he'd already have a strategy in mind, or strategies, and wouldn't get any thrill out of a win won by exhaustion.

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superking500 wrote:

 I think most top GMs are sporting enough to accept a well played game by their opponent and do not want to win because of a mistake caused by exhaustion. They do not believe in a "win at all costs" theory but are gentle enough to accept a draw. They would like to win only if they played better than their opponent. They do not covet a win by defeating an exhausted opponent.


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Some critics of Magnus would disagree.

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If only politics were like this...  come to think of it i don't know of any good chess playing politicians..

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NomadicKnight wrote:

I think that statement makes sense. After all, why would a top rated GM be counting on his opponent to make a foolish mistake in order to win? No, he'd already have a strategy in mind, or strategies, and wouldn't get any thrill out of a win won by exhaustion.

 

so you guys agree with this?

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Who cares?  Are any of us top GMs?

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cause sangwin and nomadicknight believe winning by exhaustion shouldn't count as a win

 

so magnus wins wouldn't count in their eyes

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superking500 wrote:

cause sangwin and nomadicknight believe winning by exhaustion shouldn't count as a win

 

so magnus wins wouldn't count in their eyes

See? I already knew what u were getting at before u said it. Look at post #5.

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I'm sure historically there have been some opponents out to win sure,, but I really don't see a Grandmaster wanting to win cheap,, so yea.. I agree with this

and having said that, if your strategy is to straight out grind out and wear down by shear force of perfection making less mistakes and having better positional knowledge then thats different.  Not saying I know a player like that but just positing that I can't think of any current or past GM's who I find to "cheap" or of ill repute

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That's not the whole truth i think. If you push everything for a win, you can run into a situation you might be losing yourself. Therefore you must assess the position whether it's worth it or not. At a tournament it can be grievous to lose when other people are playing for a draw because you're falling behind on points which can be hard to regain later on.

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Sangwin wrote:

I'm sure historically there have been some opponents out to win sure,, but I really don't see a Grandmaster wanting to win cheap,, so yea.. I agree with this

so pretty much magnus wins cheap in your opinion

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superking500 wrote:
Sangwin wrote:

I'm sure historically there have been some opponents out to win sure,, but I really don't see a Grandmaster wanting to win cheap,, so yea.. I agree with this

so pretty much magnus wins cheap in your opinion

I think you're trying to win cheap

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Sangwin wrote:
superking500 wrote:
Sangwin wrote:

I'm sure historically there have been some opponents out to win sure,, but I really don't see a Grandmaster wanting to win cheap,, so yea.. I agree with this

so pretty much magnus wins cheap in your opinion

I think you're trying to win cheap

your pretty much calling carlsen style cheap

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superking500 wrote:

cause sangwin and nomadicknight believe winning by exhaustion shouldn't count as a win

 

so magnus wins wouldn't count in their eyes

Did I say that? Oh no, wait... I didn't! Hmmm...

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NomadicKnight wrote:
superking500 wrote:

cause sangwin and nomadicknight believe winning by exhaustion shouldn't count as a win

 

so magnus wins wouldn't count in their eyes

Did I say that? Oh no, wait... I didn't! Hmmm...

well thats how magnus wins, by exhaustion...so connect the dots

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superking500 wrote:
NomadicKnight wrote:
superking500 wrote:

cause sangwin and nomadicknight believe winning by exhaustion shouldn't count as a win

 

so magnus wins wouldn't count in their eyes

Did I say that? Oh no, wait... I didn't! Hmmm...

well thats how magnus wins, by exhaustion...so connect the dots

Well that isn't too hard, considering that there are only 2 dots to connect.

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To be honest i found the first few games completely absorbing and totally exciting and nothing like most of the GM games I see.  It actually is what got me back into chess currently so no, not even a little bit cheap and basically so ingenius and out of comprehension that you have nothing else to do but hate... 

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Oh please, "hate"?  Sure, maybe the kid oughta get a paper route or something, but...