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omaridepractice

Why the blitz rating are lower than the rating on rapid, in chess.com?

Martin_Stahl

Partially due to a slightly different pool of players and quality on blitz is lower than rapid, in general. In addition, some people play rapid as if it was blitz and others play, using more of their time to more fully calculate.

omaridepractice

So which elo are your real strength, the rapid elo?.

Im trying to say, im a 1500 player or I am a what ever elo give me the rapid, if i get like 1700 for example, thats my real strength?

 

omaridepractice

and I never play rapid, don't take the 1500 I have from rapid.

urk
live blitz = 1523 + horsecrap divided by confusion and inexperience
solskytz

Blitz is lower? I don't know... 

I could never get my rapid stably over 1900, while my blitz is typically around 2050 - 2100, give or take. 

llama
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Partially due to a slightly different pool of players and quality on blitz is lower than rapid, in general. In addition, some people play rapid as if it was blitz and others play, using more of their time to more fully calculate.

Wouldn't it be the opposite? If strong players have low ratings, then the standard of play is high.

llama
omaridepractice wrote:

So which elo are your real strength, the rapid elo?.

Im trying to say, im a 1500 player or I am a what ever elo give me the rapid, if i get like 1700 for example, thats my real strength?

 

There's no such thing a "real" rating because all ratings are correct for their respective time controls. You can be 1400, 1500, and 1600 if you play 3 different time controls.

If you want to know your FIDE Elo, then play in FIDE tournaments.

That said, in past polls, on average chess.com blitz has been pretty close to OTB ratings.

llama
solskytz wrote:

Blitz is lower? I don't know... 

I could never get my rapid stably over 1900, while my blitz is typically around 2050 - 2100, give or take. 

I think rapid has a glass ceiling around 2000 for reasons we're not supposed to talk about tongue.png

solskytz

Exactly my thinking, and exactly why my post ended where it ended. 

Great minds think alike. 

omaridepractice
MyRatingis1523 escribió:

live blitz = real rating + 600

 

why you say that?

 

Martin_Stahl

Everybody is different. I'm 1570  OTB, at long time controls, have had trouble staying above the mid-1200s in blitz here, and have been mid-1400s in rapid (admittedly with fewer games). I do better with more time.

 

Maybe that is due to stonger opposition in blitz. I can't say. But I have a really hard time with anything under 10 minutes online.

urk
I'll shatter that rapid glass ceiling when I get around to it.
solskytz

Report to us later about your experiences. 

omaridepractice
Telestu escribió:
omaridepractice wrote:

So which elo are your real strength, the rapid elo?.

Im trying to say, im a 1500 player or I am a what ever elo give me the rapid, if i get like 1700 for example, thats my real strength?

 

There's no such thing a "real" rating because all ratings are correct for their respective time controls. You can be 1400, 1500, and 1600 if you play 3 different time controls.

If you want to know your FIDE Elo, then play in FIDE tournaments.

That said, in past polls, on average chess.com blitz has been pretty close to OTB ratings.

I wasn't talking about the FIDE rating, I was talking which are your real strength, but in chess.com, i never said the real FIDE elo, I know there are different time controls, but which take by you real strength,, Im saying, if you are 1500 in blitz, and you don't have rapid elo, but you play againts 1600 but with the time control of rapid, you can beat him?, or your strength just are 1500, or blitz and rapid are different things that can't be compared of the understanding of chess, maybe there are more things to think about, I think the only elo to take like your 'strength' is which have more slow time controls

 

omaridepractice

So every time control are correct?, So, what you understand of chess is around 1200 and 1400, and 1500, for example.

 

llama
omaridepractice wrote:
Telestu escribió:
omaridepractice wrote:

So which elo are your real strength, the rapid elo?.

Im trying to say, im a 1500 player or I am a what ever elo give me the rapid, if i get like 1700 for example, thats my real strength?

 

There's no such thing a "real" rating because all ratings are correct for their respective time controls. You can be 1400, 1500, and 1600 if you play 3 different time controls.

If you want to know your FIDE Elo, then play in FIDE tournaments.

That said, in past polls, on average chess.com blitz has been pretty close to OTB ratings.

I wasn't talking about the FIDE rating, I was talking which are your real strength, but in chess.com, i never said the real FIDE elo, I know there are different time controls, but which take by you real strength,, Im saying, if you are 1500 in blitz, and you don't have rapid elo, but you play againts 1600 but with the time control of rapid, you can beat him?, or your strength just are 1500, or blitz and rapid are different things that can't be compared of the understanding of chess, maybe there are more things to think about, I think the only elo to take like your 'strength' is which have more slow time controls

 

Elo is a maths formula named after the man who invented it. Usually people mean FIDE when they say Elo, but maybe you're thinking like LoL? Anyway, it doesn't measure a player's knowledge or ability. It makes a prediction for future results based on past results.

For example a 1500 vs a 1600. In a 10 game match the 1500 is expected to score about 3.5 points. (win = 1, draw = 0.5 , loss = 0). This could be from 3 wins, 1 draw, and 6 losses or 7 draws and 3 losses, or anything in between. If the 1500 scores more than expected, his rating goes up. If he scores less, then it goes down.

100 point difference, the stronger player is expected to score about 2/3
200 point difference, about 3/4
300 about 4/5

The method compares you to other players who in the same group. For example chess.com blitz compares you only to other players who play blitz on this webiste, and not to anything else.

People sometimes specialize in a certain time control, so it's not possible to say who would win in 1500 chess.com blitz vs 1600 chess.com rapid. However from the lists I've seen, chess.com blitz and bullet tend to be lower for most people than chess.com rapid or chess.com daily.

omaridepractice
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llama
omaridepractice wrote:

So every time control are correct?, So, what you understand of chess is around 1200 and 1400, and 1500, for example.

 

A rating of 1200 is meaningless unless you specify which pool. For example 1200 FIDE, 1200 chess.com rapid, 1200 USCF, 1200 ICC 3 minute pool.

Generally OTB tournament ratings (Over The Board meaning face to face in real life) are implied when an author of a book says "I wrote this for players rated 1600 and above." Also OTB ratings are the most respected.

So I'll try to answer your question like this. If someone had a 1200 OTB rating, I might expect chess.com ratings something like: 1100 blitz, 1200 bullet, 1400 rapid, and 1600 daily.

But it really varies from person to person. Generally speaking, the more you play a time control, the better you'll be at it. Even something "slow" like 30|0 has its own strategy compared to an OTB tournament game. Comparatively 30|0 is actually very fast, and so you can do things like somewhat unsound attacks and sacrifices counting on the fact that your opponent doesn't have time to calculate a solution (sometimes in OTB chess you might need to think 30 minutes for a single move).

omaridepractice

Oh ok.

And how you know your strength? .__.