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TheGrobe

Agree, beating a titled player in 1 0 is about as relevant as beating one in a foot race.

ACWolfpack
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ponz111

A title makes a difference in the cost of chess.com. [as I found out] 

zxzyz

Many untitled players are so good they can beat titled players at video games and bullet chess.  Congrats to all of them!

TheGrobe

It's a not-too-distant relation to the game of hot potato.

TheOldReb
Luigi_Fan wrote:

lol Just coz we can't play it well, it is either "ridiculous", "not chess" or "video game". Well played! 

After checking some of your 1 0 games I think ridiculous is an understatement , especially this game : http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=405815784     why give a 1313 player a draw at move 7 when you have mate on the move ?!  1 0 isnt chess but those who are fast enough to be good at it make believe it is... what a joke. 

detorennl

It is all cheating. I have another +-2300 account here and I stopped using it, because from there it is almost impossible to win games anymore. Most games(+90%) i analysed afterwards some kind of engine was used during the game. There is a reason strong players only play blitz, because engine play is way more difficult there. On my chess club almost no strong player(+1900 rating)plays online for this reason, they all say it is a waste of time, unless it is for opening testing.

AndyClifton
detorennl wrote:

Most games(+90%) i analysed afterwards some kind of engine was used during the game.

A remarkable conclusion!  How'd you come by this?

I have played online quite a bit and have enjoyed it considerably.  A few times I've had my suspicions that things weren't quite on the level, but overwhelmingly it has proven to be a good experience.  Don't know who these guys at your club are...but I'm glad that everybody else doesn't think like they do.

AndyClifton
Reb wrote:
 why give a 1313 player a draw at move 7 when you have mate on the move ?! 

Yes, that result was rather puzzling.

nameno1had
AndyClifton wrote:
Reb wrote:
 why give a 1313 player a draw at move 7 when you have mate on the move ?! 

Yes, that result was rather puzzling.

hiding the cheating ?

AndyClifton

perhaps... Smile

nameno1had

A few other players who were found to be cheating after t3 and t4 analysis also have shown strange patterns of resigning won positions, though more vague and also resigning positions that were clearly drawn or with a slight advantage, with ample chances to still win...

I will just say that using my droid phone due to lag, I resigned a game I was winning once....another guy in  the same tourney I was playing did it a few days later.... so I'll try to give em the benefit of the doubt. but still puzzling

detorennl
AndyClifton wrote:
detorennl wrote:

Most games(+90%) i analysed afterwards some kind of engine was used during the game.

A remarkable conclusion!  How'd you come by this?

I have played online quite a bit and have enjoyed it considerably.  A few times I've had my suspicions that things weren't quite on the level, but overwhelmingly it has proven to be a good experience.  Don't know who these guys at your club are...but I'm glad that everybody else doesn't think like they do.

What do you mean ? Just a fact i noticed when i checked my played games afterwards. It is not that at that level(+2200) they are constantly using the engine. They use it in critical positions, when they are better they stop using it and so on.

Or even worse are the players who are actually strong players irl and use their own plans to play, but they always validate their plans/moves first before they make the move. This way they can get away with it and beat stronger (titled) players, because they understand the idea as a strong player, but their normal weaknesses are compensated with the engine. It is easy to spot really, strong players play with a plan/ideas and by patterns, once they are in a critical position which needs calculation they do so. However an engine plays different, without a real plan, they react at every small mistake the opponent make and just punish and grind it, until the opponent has to resign. Specially you can notice it in complex positions were they choose a risky combination of moves/plans, a move a normal player otb would never take, he would go for the more safe route. Ofcourse at the end when lots of pieces are traded the one with the engine is clearly on top in a lost position.

Thankfully below 2200 most people don't use engines and it is still fun to play here.

AndyClifton

Yeah sure, whatever you say...

AndyClifton

huh?

XxRamishxX

I leave you all with this comment. While many have practiced OTB chess their whole life. There are many like myself that have pursued nothing but bullet/blitz game. Therefor, my concept of thinking in depth will outdue MOST titled players in the matter of seconds of time, WHILE their train of thought will out due my play in long periods of time. 

 

One is not better than the other. But to assume 1/0 chess means nothing is as irrelavant as saying 2 Hour games are irrelavant in chess. 

 

2 completely different games with 2 completey different mindsets. 

 

Calculations are the key. Time is the key. Each is given their desired respect. Treat it as so ;) 

nameno1had
XxRamishxX wrote:

I leave you all with this comment. While many have practiced OTB chess their whole life. There are many like myself that have pursued nothing but bullet/blitz game. Therefor, my concept of thinking in depth will outdue MOST titled players in the matter of seconds of time, WHILE their train of thought will out due my play in long periods of time. 

 

One is not better than the other. But to assume 1/0 chess means nothing is as irrelavant as saying 2 Hour games are irrelavant in chess. 

 

2 completely different games with 2 completey different mindsets. 

 

Calculations are the key. Time is the key. Each is given their desired respect. Treat it as so ;) 

Your idea has merit on some level, but to compare the intricacy and elaboration that can be concocted by the mind of a master, in classically timed otb chess or correspondence, with that of your blitz moves, is like comparing a Yugo to Mercedes.

billyoyx

on the bog

paK0666
Xie_Xiashun wrote:

what is otb?

over the board, as in playing someone face to face in the real world

shepi13
XxRamishxX wrote:

I leave you all with this comment. While many have practiced OTB chess their whole life. There are many like myself that have pursued nothing but bullet/blitz game. Therefor, my concept of thinking in depth will outdue MOST titled players in the matter of seconds of time, WHILE their train of thought will out due my play in long periods of time. 

 

One is not better than the other. But to assume 1/0 chess means nothing is as irrelavant as saying 2 Hour games are irrelavant in chess. 

 

2 completely different games with 2 completey different mindsets. 

 

Calculations are the key. Time is the key. Each is given their desired respect. Treat it as so ;) 

If you can outplay GMs at bullet, why is Fabiano Caruana's bullet rating higher than yours??