Reaching 2100+

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ChessisGood

In August of 2012, the World Youth Championship will be held in Paris, France. In order to participate, I must be rated 2100 by the beginning of June. I am willing to work hard and study, but I need a good method of how to do it.

In your opinion, what is the best way to reach this goal? Should I work on openings, middlegames, or endgames? Should I go over master games or not? My current rating is 1787 USCF.

Here is what I know

Openings:

White:

Queen's Indian

Queen's Gambit

Botvinnik Semi-Slav

Black:

Caro-Kann

Nimzo-Indian

Symmetrical English

Middlegame:

Average 2200 Tactics Rating

Strong ability to calculate

I prefer positional chess over tactical

Slow maneuvering favors me

Endgame:

Currently Reading Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual

This is my favourite stage of the game

2200ismygoal

First of all your tactical rating isn't 2200 or your over the board ability would be closer to  2200.  I don't mean to come off as an ass but a 1700 otb rating doesn't strike me as a strong calculator.  I would forgo openings and focus on improving your positional chess as well as a healthy dose of tactics everyday.  Studying endgames as you are doesn't hurt either.  You can make 2100 by June if you are dedicated I think.

RonnieLewis

I just want to wish you Good Luck and please let me know how you get on, my opinion, for what it is worth would be 'Strategy and Tactics' but what do I know!!

sftac

1 point per week (50 points/year), ought to be manageable.  More, if you devote your life to this style of chess.

sftac

ps.  Do more than 'read' an endgame manual, do exercises.  eg. I learned my endgames by copying a Pandolfini endgame book and making flashcards out of it (>300 ending categories), which made learning very efficient (I soon whittled those down to just a handful I needed to learn through memorizing rather than understanding).

2200ismygoal
RoseQueen1985 wrote:

Good luck with that. Even if you work very hard,the chances of you gaining 300 points in less that a year are slim. It's one thing to go from 1300 to 1600. But to go from 1800 to 2100 is difficult and takes time. 

Don't worry about the opening theory too much. You should know enough theory to get you through a playable middlegame. Also,you should know how to play the middle games arising from your openings. Study master games that showcase your opening of choice. Also,you should concentrate more on black than white.

 

Work on your tactics and endgame,and good luck.


I don't think 1800 to 2100 is too difficult, 2100 players still are not very good and make alot of mistakes.  They just play more consitent than 1800s.  300 points in one year I belive is very attainable.  

ChessisGood

Here is my study plan so far per day:

Opening:

Review 2 master games in one of my openings.

Learn at least one new line.

Play 5 blitz games and analyze the opening stage.

Middlegame:

30 Minutes on the tactics trainer.

Read the works of Kotov.

Endgame:

Keep reading Dvoretsky.

Endgame puzzles.

General:

Review 2 Karpov games.

Watch at least 1 chess.com 30 minute video.

Complete a Chess Mentor course.

 

Will this work? Should I do anything else? Thanks!

ChessisGood
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
2200ismygoal wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:

Good luck with that. Even if you work very hard,the chances of you gaining 300 points in less that a year are slim. It's one thing to go from 1300 to 1600. But to go from 1800 to 2100 is difficult and takes time. 

Don't worry about the opening theory too much. You should know enough theory to get you through a playable middlegame. Also,you should know how to play the middle games arising from your openings. Study master games that showcase your opening of choice. Also,you should concentrate more on black than white.

 

Work on your tactics and endgame,and good luck.


I don't think 1800 to 2100 is too difficult, 2100 players still are not very good and make alot of mistakes.  They just play more consitent than 1800s.  300 points in one year I belive is very attainable.  


2100s are not very good? yeah ok. That's very close to master strenght.  I know you guys are trying to be positive but it's important not to give false hope. Is reaching 2100 impossbile? no. Doable in less than a year? highly doubt it.

You made a thread about this about this when you first started out,and you are still no where near your goal of 2200. If it was that easy you should be a lot closer now.


One thing though...I believe a trip to Paris offers significant motivation. I know many people who have gone from 1800 to 2100 in even less time.

ChessisGood
RoseQueen1985 wrote:

^ Paris,is the most beautiful place I have ever been to.


Yes, but the question is: with all the work I can put in, can I do it?

I can spend about 3-4 hours per day.

heinzie

Even if your playing strength is 2100, you will need to play tons of tournaments to actually reach that rating within a year, if it is just 1800 now

RonnieLewis

I wish I could visit Paris!!  Je parle un peu du francais, est-ce vous parlez francais?

Mm40

Where do you get 2100 from? According to this page, the boys U16 minimum is 2300, and U18 is 2400. Good luck with that!

Even assuming 2100 is the goal, I don't think it's possible. I'm in an almost identical situation: my USCF rating is 1762, after less than 3 years of tournament play, and I turned 16 last month. This year has been extremely busy, but I also have DEM and look through it occasionally (I know, I really have to set up a board and look at it).

Put simply, I think 1800 is one of those plateaus that a bunch of people get stuck at. People stop making tactical mistakes. You need to win games instead of just letting your opponent lose them. Do you really think you can be on par with national masters in 7 months? I'd hope so (NM is my ultimate goal), but unless you're gonna drop out of school to study 8 hours a day and go to tournaments every weekend, I think you'll be disappointed.

But we should work together some time.

baddogno

Have you at least taken a look at the study plans on site?  Click "read", then "articles", then Chess.com help.  The opinion of a titled chess professional as to what you need to advance has got to be worth something.

ChessisGood
Mm40 wrote:

Where do you get 2100 from? According to this page, the boys U16 minimum is 2300, and U18 is 2400. Good luck with that!

Even assuming 2100 is the goal, I don't think it's possible. I'm in an almost identical situation: my USCF rating is 1762, after less than 3 years of tournament play, and I turned 16 last month. This year has been extremely busy, but I also have DEM and look through it occasionally (I know, I really have to set up a board and look at it).

Put simply, I think 1800 is one of those plateaus that a bunch of people get stuck at. People stop making tactical mistakes. You need to win games instead of just letting your opponent lose them. Do you really think you can be on par with national masters in 7 months? I'd hope so (NM is my ultimate goal), but unless you're gonna drop out of school to study 8 hours a day and go to tournaments every weekend, I think you'll be disappointed.

But we should work together some time.


http://amateurchess.com/paris.html says the requirement is 2100.

Mm40
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
Mm40 wrote:

Where do you get 2100 from? According to this page, the boys U16 minimum is 2300, and U18 is 2400. Good luck with that!

Even assuming 2100 is the goal, I don't think it's possible. I'm in an almost identical situation: my USCF rating is 1762, after less than 3 years of tournament play, and I turned 16 last month. This year has been extremely busy, but I also have DEM and look through it occasionally (I know, I really have to set up a board and look at it).

Put simply, I think 1800 is one of those plateaus that a bunch of people get stuck at. People stop making tactical mistakes. You need to win games instead of just letting your opponent lose them. Do you really think you can be on par with national masters in 7 months? I'd hope so (NM is my ultimate goal), but unless you're gonna drop out of school to study 8 hours a day and go to tournaments every weekend, I think you'll be disappointed.

But we should work together some time.


This is so true. Even strong,child prodegies (like Waitzkin,the Polgar sisters,etc) claimed that they got stuck around for A class for a while. Waitzkin himself says that once he reached 2100,he started losing and it took him a while to finally break off and start winning again.

It's not so much that A class players an experts don't make tactical mistakes,they do. But they are very small innacuracies rather than...hanging a queen or losing a free piece. You actively have to try to win the game rather than relying on some blunder to get you an easy victory. 


Yeah, they do make tactical mistakes (I would know Embarassed). But it's rare that I just make a howler out of the blue. Almost always, I'm under some sort of pressure. That's why I say I need to learn how to win games to advance; I can't just shuffle pieces around and wait for a tactic to appear (though that would be nice).

ChessisGood
Mm40 wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
Mm40 wrote:

Where do you get 2100 from? According to this page, the boys U16 minimum is 2300, and U18 is 2400. Good luck with that!

Even assuming 2100 is the goal, I don't think it's possible. I'm in an almost identical situation: my USCF rating is 1762, after less than 3 years of tournament play, and I turned 16 last month. This year has been extremely busy, but I also have DEM and look through it occasionally (I know, I really have to set up a board and look at it).

Put simply, I think 1800 is one of those plateaus that a bunch of people get stuck at. People stop making tactical mistakes. You need to win games instead of just letting your opponent lose them. Do you really think you can be on par with national masters in 7 months? I'd hope so (NM is my ultimate goal), but unless you're gonna drop out of school to study 8 hours a day and go to tournaments every weekend, I think you'll be disappointed.

But we should work together some time.


This is so true. Even strong,child prodegies (like Waitzkin,the Polgar sisters,etc) claimed that they got stuck around for A class for a while. Waitzkin himself says that once he reached 2100,he started losing and it took him a while to finally break off and start winning again.

It's not so much that A class players an experts don't make tactical mistakes,they do. But they are very small innacuracies rather than...hanging a queen or losing a free piece. You actively have to try to win the game rather than relying on some blunder to get you an easy victory. 


Yeah, they do make tactical mistakes (I would know ). But it's rare that I just make a howler out of the blue. Almost always, I'm under some sort of pressure. That's why I say I need to learn how to win games to advance; I can't just shuffle pieces around and wait for a tactic to appear (though that would be nice).


This leads me to thinking about reviewing more master games.

2200ismygoal
chessisgood wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
2200ismygoal wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:

Good luck with that. Even if you work very hard,the chances of you gaining 300 points in less that a year are slim. It's one thing to go from 1300 to 1600. But to go from 1800 to 2100 is difficult and takes time. 

Don't worry about the opening theory too much. You should know enough theory to get you through a playable middlegame. Also,you should know how to play the middle games arising from your openings. Study master games that showcase your opening of choice. Also,you should concentrate more on black than white.

 

Work on your tactics and endgame,and good luck.


I don't think 1800 to 2100 is too difficult, 2100 players still are not very good and make alot of mistakes.  They just play more consitent than 1800s.  300 points in one year I belive is very attainable.  


2100s are not very good? yeah ok. That's very close to master strenght.  I know you guys are trying to be positive but it's important not to give false hope. Is reaching 2100 impossbile? no. Doable in less than a year? highly doubt it.

You made a thread about this about this when you first started out,and you are still no where near your goal of 2200. If it was that easy you should be a lot closer now.


One thing though...I believe a trip to Paris offers significant motivation. I know many people who have gone from 1800 to 2100 in even less time.


I do not believe that I stated in correspondence, I was and am talking about my OTB strength, I couldn't really give a damn about CC rating as it is pointless.  I have actually come close recently hiting as high as 2079.  I can provide a link to my rating if I must.

ChessisGood
baddogno wrote:

Have you at least taken a look at the study plans on site?  Click "read", then "articles", then Chess.com help.  The opinion of a titled chess professional as to what you need to advance has got to be worth something.


Yes. I have.

mateologist

ALL on-line ratings are subject to speculation, But the USCF's are not at your present ratings level (1700's) in the time frame that you have stated you goal of 2100 is possible but HIGHLY unlikely. You better become an endgame EXPERT FAST,  your statement  of how USCF rated 2100's are really not that good shows your ignorance. Every tournament OTB class A player is working hard to break into the expert class !! But GOOD-LUCK and i hope you do succeed in your quest and do keep posting on your progress !!  Cool 

ChessisGood

OK, here is something I have found interesting. In general, players below 2100 claim that my goal is impossible (or implausible) while players above 2100 claim that it is possible. This leads me to believe that I can reach 2100.

Still, my question remains, what is the best use of my time?

mrguy888
chessisgood wrote:

OK, here is something I have found interesting. In general, players below 2100 claim that my goal is impossible (or implausible) while players above 2100 claim that it is possible. This leads me to believe that I can reach 2100.

Still, my question remains, what is the best use of my time?


Probably not chess.