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arul_kumar

A time will come when a lady will compete with men for the World Chess Championship

Jion_Wansu
arul_kumar wrote:

A time will come when a lady will compete with men for the World Chess Championship

 

Yes, you are correct...

Ziggy_Zugzwang
kaynight wrote:

I knew a tap dancer once, she fell in the sink.

Did her talent come naturally or did she faucet ?

Ziggy_Zugzwang
kaynight wrote:

This is draining me now.

Just go with the flow mate and everything will come out OK in the wash....

piotor

Culturally, women are not pushed to engage in intellectual games in a young age, at least in many countires of the world.

That surely affects the pool of possible players.

At a high level though, I'd imagine that in long tournaments that also require physical efficiency, women might have a small disavantage in handling the physical stress. It might be a tiny little thing, but one blunder too many is enough to keep you out of the top 10 players in the world. This happens even within men, of course. Carlsen himself has been repeadetly been considered to be an example of a "new era" in chess, where being physically fit plays a fundamental role in the outcome of a tournament.

I would easily imagine that there will be quite a few female chess players in the top 100 soon. It will take longer though I believe to have World Championship material.

Neuromancer-01

This has made an intruiging read, what would be good to spark action in the chess community realising / releasing certain dogmatic principles regarding the capabilitys of women in the game is debate like this. 

Just to reiterate the questions left unanswered at the start of the thread: 

1. It has been suggested that proffesions like architechture are overtly male dominated and that is causing negative chauvinism in the culture of the work. Same could be said for chess, I geuss?... 

 2. the majority of top end tournaments are featuring only men. Could this be changed so that we could see more unisex participation?

3. Do you think we might a see a rise of female World Chess Championship/Candidates Tournament participants in the next five years? If so why, If not why?

 4. Could there be more be more of an active engagement in education for lasses to take up chess?  How could society play a role in this? 


many thanks :)

Hexaotl

I think you misunderstand what sexism is. If you call physcial advantages sexism, then every sport in the universe is sexist.

But still, the fact is that over only 31 of the 1444 grand masters in the world are women. That is not a coincidence

Hexaotl
Neuromancer-01 wrote:

This has made an intruiging read, what would be good to spark action in the chess community realising / releasing certain dogmatic principles regarding the capabilitys of women in the game is debate like this. 

Just to reiterate the questions left unanswered at the start of the thread: 

1. It has been suggested that proffesions like architechture are overtly male dominated and that is causing negative chauvinism in the culture of the work. Same could be said for chess, I geuss?... 

 2. the majority of top end tournaments are featuring only men. Could this be changed so that we could see more unisex participation?

3. Do you think we might a see a rise of female World Chess Championship/Candidates Tournament participants in the next five years? If so why, If not why?

 4. Could there be more be more of an active engagement in education for lasses to take up chess?  How could society play a role in this? 


many thanks :)

You are really tossing words like chauvinism around pretty easily. The fact that more men than women are chess players, or architects or businessmen is not down to any innherent sexism, but sexual dimorphism.

Men and women are born different, and that is mostly a positive thing

TheGrobe

Clearly no-one is disputing the disproportionate representation.  It's the cause that gets debated ad nauseum in these threads.

TournamentPlayer
Neuromancer-01 wrote:

...I stand corrected! :) And so, do you think there should be more active engagement in education for lasses to take up chess? why then is it so male dominated? perhaps it does'nt appeal as much to women as other sports do? Why? ! It is right there needs to be a more inclusive attitude to chess, I would like to see a match between the WWC and WC... 

First of all Carlsen would destroy Hifan or Polgar in  a match.  There is no discrimination in chess.  If the women were strong enough to play in top level events they would be invited.  Look at Polgar who played in the San Luis in 2006 which was won by Topalov.  I also don't agree with women's titles, if they don't want "discrimination" lose the women's titles they are meaninless.  

TheGrobe
Hexaotl wrote:

You are really tossing words like chauvinism around pretty easily. The fact that more men than women are chess players, or architects or businessmen is not down to any innherent sexism, but sexual dimorphism.

Men and women are born different, and that is mostly a positive thing

I think you may be a little too quick to jump to sexual dimorphism as the sole cause.

Men and women are treated differently, and that is entirely a cultural thing.

TheGrobe
kaynight wrote:

Is this a big word competition?

Only those among us with sesquipedalian predilections need apply.

TournamentPlayer
Neuromancer-01 wrote:

This has made an intruiging read, what would be good to spark action in the chess community realising / releasing certain dogmatic principles regarding the capabilitys of women in the game is debate like this. 

Just to reiterate the questions left unanswered at the start of the thread: 

1. It has been suggested that proffesions like architechture are overtly male dominated and that is causing negative chauvinism in the culture of the work. Same could be said for chess, I geuss?... 

 2. the majority of top end tournaments are featuring only men. Could this be changed so that we could see more unisex participation?

3. Do you think we might a see a rise of female World Chess Championship/Candidates Tournament participants in the next five years? If so why, If not why?

 4. Could there be more be more of an active engagement in education for lasses to take up chess?  How could society play a role in this? 


many thanks :)

1) I have no idea what the question is

2) Why should the weaker female GMS be invited to play against the super GMS.  If the women can continue to dominate other women and dominate 2600 rated GMS and make 2700 than sure they can be invited to play.  There shouldn't be unisex tournaments just for the sake of including people.  You shouldn't be given something if you can't make it legitly.

3) We will not see the rise of a World Champion who is a women in the next 5 years.  The current closest is Hou Yifan  The difference between here and the current WC is quite a difference.  There will be no women who in the next 5 years could raise to Carlsens level.  It takes years of dedication and top level play and there have yet to be any women make it to play in just top level events yet a match with Carlsen.

 

4)  There is alot of education out there for both sexes to take up chess.  Don't think they are being ignored.  I have two girls and I have started teaching my 4 year old to play.

SilentKnighte5
Azukikuru wrote:
Judit Polgar, a veritable chess machine from childhood on, could only reach a rating ~100 points below the best men

Are you trying to be intentionally misleading here?  My guess is yes.

Rickett2222

It appears to me that no one read my post. Since women must not should mostly participate in women's tournaments they do not see the benefits odf playing chess.As I said before a 3rd or 4th place would not buy hot dogs at the corner restaurant for a single year.

Women are paid 1/3 to 1/5 of men's $ prize in any tournament they play. Unless you have money to back you up initially then do not go for it as  you will be investing your retirement savings and that is the bottom line. No money no honey to spend it.

Time to accomodate women in with the men and offer accomodations, travel expenses.

Does not anyone want to see a woman play with the men? The Fide woman dress code is simply stupid in my book.Yes and with the 2 or 3 button Fide rule on shirts, they forgot to cover lingerie and open  sweaters and this rule is absolutely ridiculous as women with long necks are at a disadvantage. Cleavage exposure not nudity here is forbidden

Not sure if a winter snow suit is permitted as the rule does not state exactly what should be covered or exposed.

I do agree on limitations but when only women can wear turtleneck and not men I just wonder here about the seriounness of chess wear a turtle neck when the temperature is over 80 or 90 degrees farenheight it must be a joke.

What I simply propose is not restrictive attires rather common sense ones nd really simple to define actually.

SilentKnighte5
Rickett2222 wrote:

women with long necks are at a disadvantage.

lol

TheOldReb

FIDE World Chess Championship 2005. San Luis, Argentina

Average Elo: 2738 <=> Cat: 20 gm = 4.62 m = 1.82
1 Topalov,Veselin 2788 +106 X ½½ 10.0 / 14  
2 Svidler,Peter 2738 +78 X ½½ 11 ½½ ½½ 8.5 / 14 55.00
3 Anand,Viswanathan 2788 +20 ½½ ½½ X ½1 01 11 8.5 / 14 54.50
4 Morozevich,Alexander 2707 +36 00 X ½1 ½1 ½½ ½½ 7.0 / 14  
5 Leko,Peter 2763 -53 ½0 ½0 X ½1 6.5 / 14  
6 Kasimdzhanov,Rustam 2670 0 ½½ 10 ½0 ½0 X ½½ 01 5.5 / 14 38.75
7 Adams,Michael 2719 -55 ½½ ½½ ½½ X ½½ 5.5 / 14 38.00
8 Polgar,Judit 2735 -129 00 ½½ 10 ½½ X 4.5 / 14  
Iluvsmetuna

If women played chess on the beach in bikinis, the game could go mainstream, but chess popularity can never be positively enhanced by dudes.

TheGrobe

Certainly not by the "dudes" here.

NewArdweaden

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