Women tend to view a problem from many angles while men try to force through a problem. That may have something to do with it...but idk.
Sexism Is Really Not Existent Anymore
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Are we still allowed to say "you throw like a girl"? 
p.s. Man! the weird stuff you come across whilst trawling the net... the following gives highly debatable reasons for why girls throw like girls:
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070718/why-girls-throw-like-a-girl.htm
p.p.s. just to make things entirely apparent to all: 1) I am not a christian 2) I'm not promoting Christianity.
Just thought you might like to see how some other people (not affiliated to me in any way, shape or form) think about things... after all, we each already know, how we ourselves think about most things.
bollocks.
Hugh_T_Patterson and Billium248. Two sensible *males* on this site.
as long as the human animal is in existence, it will continue to create isms, it is in our nature. this sorting of information, for good or bad, based on logic or not, helps our brain process the gigantic amount of information that hits it. if we did not sort information, we would go into overload, similar to an autistic person who is taken out of their known routine. one thing to keep in mind is that being better mathmatically or more chessicly (new word? I want royalties if so) inclined would not in any way imply superiority. it's similar to the zen idea of things. take rain for example. rain is rain. i may dislike rain, you may love rain, but that makes rain neither bad nor good, it is just rain. say men are proven to be better chess players due to some genetic traits. this would not be good or bad, or make any sex better or worse than the other, it would just be the state of things!
it seems that people tend to see what they want to. for instance, most girls i know are way too busy convincing that "special" guy in her life to fix/find/buy something for her to ever bother doing it herself. and just as generally, we men are happy to play our part and accept being their willing pawns. perfect symbiosis...
i think that the greater truth is that fewer women then men are interested in proving their worth via chess.
check the chess.com male to female ratios to prove me right or wrong...i would, but duty calls...
This topic is totally inappropriate in a forum where political and religious debate is prohibited.
dsachs wrote:
This topic is totally inappropriate in a forum where political and religious debate is prohibited.
Politics? Religion? Please look again, friend. I see none.
i know this much...a woman is not something reduceable to what you learn from 64 squares and 32 pieces...
isms...............too many people are looking for reasons for their own failures. Suck it up.............look within..........."Control your own destiny, or someone else will" Jack Welch .............
if you want to truly know about the differences between males and females, one should study the effects of testosterone and estrogen upon the genetic body. men are visually sexual and easily satiable. women are temperature determinate and emotionally coagulative. because of hormones. not inherit genetic anomalies. we are sway. we should not judge what we do not understand
btw- zen buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion. so it is possible to be a christian (etc) buddhist. that is far beyond the point anywho. the point was the idea of isms just being a separating force in our lives. that other cat has the right thought too man, the women are to busy playing men to be bored with chess. a 5 1/4" inch king doesn't buy you a necklace!! men are the stupid ones
. maybe i should go to chess rehab now.
In the election, Sarah Palin was a victim of sexism. Very little sexism remains in the media, but one bad apple in a bunch ruins them all.
Chessroshi wrote:
a 5 1/4" inch king doesn't buy you a necklace!! men are the stupid ones. maybe i should go to chess rehab now.
might want to try Enzyte when done at rehab
ok...let's say, for instance, that bobby fischer (greatest player of our generation) was a lunatic bigot. how many females do you ever see rounding out the twilight of their careers by spouting anti-semetic madness to a crowd of reporters? have you ever heard of any chess master dying happy? maybe chess ability doesn't count for much in the greater scheme of feminine happiness?
would i rather be an unstoppable chess force than to die alone and without my wife? no. no i wouldn't.
enjoy chess. if you don't, then quit.
i can say for certian your rating will not profoundly impress any girl past the point she would already consider you.
Brandon,
Regardless of this argument you seem to be very self absorbed.
If you really have something to say why don't you say it. You are all over the map, and not making much sense.
I've been almost to every square inch of planet earth, both hemispheres, east and west, developed and undeveloped....
Sexism is alive and well everywhere. People have just learned to refine it and make it appear as something else a little less obnoxious. My own relationships have been very good and balanced. I don't tell the women I know where they belong, what they should do, how they should think, and they likewise treat me with the same respect and courtesy. Respect each others' intelligence, abilities, rights and simply enjoy each others' company and social interaction, and it is amazing how easy it is to get along with each other.
It is possible for men and women to live together, work together, play together, interact socially together in every kind of way without suffering from the Mars and Venus differentiai factors. It's called....here goes....MUTUAL RESPECT!
Good day to all.
chess_kebabs wrote:
This is where I think the argument is being misconstrued.
It isn't about how many women play chess in comparison to men...it is about how female chess players are perceived by, and I am going to be optimistic here, a minority..... that they are weak... hence forms the term "you play like a girl"... insinuating a weakness.
I concede that not as many women play chess or are as interested in chess than men. But please don't tell me that most of the women that do play are not dead serious about their game and are just as capable to play a decent game as a man.
I fear some are confusing choice to not play chess with a lack of intellect and that those that do play couldn't possibly have as high an intellect for the game as men. As I said I am optimistic that there are far fewer chauvinists than there are non-chauvinists!
I think you're right about the numbers, Babs. I believe that women, considering the difference of the historical chess development of men and women over hundreds of years, have proven themselves worthy. I have no doubt that if a women is given the same chance in development, training, history, competition, she could hold her own quite well. Men do have a longer, more involved history in the processes of chess development and competition over centuries of time. Of course that gives them an advantage, but place them both on equal terms throughout the time scale, and I think my point would be proven.
But I have to say, I think it is not healthy for men to continually drag on the subject and try to prove which gender is better. I have to wonder if some of the men that push the superior argument have a character flaw and perhaps a bit too much pride so that they don't want to face that women could play just as well as them. And no, I am not some radical female activist or anything like that...it just makes common sense to me, kind of like a calculus equation.
Maybe instead of men trying to prove who can play better, they should encourage women more in this great game of chess we all love so much.
Hugh_T_Patterson and Billium248 and all the crazy feminists on this site
Seriously, welcome to the 21st century :) Well not everything is perfect, there is a strong degree of egalitarianism in our post-modern society. Please stop pretending that this is a serious problem outside of a few random people with atrocious social skills and nothing better to do than call people names and put others down for whatever reason: age, sex, ethnicity, nationality, etc.
I poke fun at my coach all the time for being old. And he chides me just the same for being a headstrong youth. And when I play a skittles match with my girlfriend, I wouldn't hesitate to tell her, with a smile on my face, that she plays like a girl. And if my coach ever lost a game to her, I would without a doubt take a few jabs at him by telling him he lost to a girl. Of course no one takes this seriously.
However, there may be SOME truth to the statement that women aren't as good at chess than their masculine counterparts. When I was in high school, the co-chair of the Natural Science Division flat out told me that, "Guys are GENERALLY better than girls at math." This flat-out surprised me. However, considering she has a PhD and is a fairly credible person in general, I don't doubt that there is some research that tends to support this statement. It's not to say that there aren't tons and tons of girl who are leagues better at mathematics than boys. But on a large-scale statistical mean, they are below average. Is there anything wrong with this? Does this somehow imply that women are inferior to men? No and, "No!"
And I can understand why some people assert that women aren't as good at chess as men. First, why is there no female World Chess Champion? Why aren't the best female players in the world consistently challenging players like Topalov, Carlsen, Kramnik, and Anand OTB? Moreover, why did FIDE deem it appropriate to create titles like Womens' World Chess Champion and Womens' Grandmaster, etc? Are titles such as these to be considered inherently pejorative? Or is there possibly a grain of truth to the statement that at the highest level, women are perhaps not as good at chess than men.
So please fellas, understand that maybe 1% of the population actually believes that women are inferior to men. And please listen to the other side of the argument before you dismiss it because there is some truth to the statement that men are better at chess than women. And most importantly, don't worry about the ladies; women will believe what I tell them to believe :))