Solution for dastardly conduct

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RoobieRoo

Ever after winning a chess game has your opponent called into question the fidelity of your mother or your sister? Ever been likened to a female dog or parts of the anatomy that are deemed to be less picturesque than others? Ever been called a cheetah, a pumpkin eater or some other vacuous epithet after having soundly given your opponent a well deserved pasting? Then read on, I have a solution.

 

Often we see well meaning advice like, just turn the chat off, block the player etc etc The problem with these merely passive suggestions is that they do not reward good behavior nor do the adequately address nor punish ungentlemanly abusive conduct. My solution is therefore to reward gentlemanly conduct.

 

If you lose a game and you thank your opponent by typing by way of example, gg, thankyou for the lesson etc and remain respectful you will be rewarded by not losing as many rating points as you should have. If on the other hand you author abusive and ill mannered sentiments your rating loss will increase by more than it mathematically should have. Thus in this way gentlemanly conduct will be rewarded and dastardly conduct punished.

sammy_boi

Ratings are not some whimsy, they're based on rigorous mathematics.

And even if they weren't, you could easily get around your idea with:

sammy: gg
sammy: not
sammy: you're actually a piece of @#$%
sammy has left the chat

RoobieRoo

No one to my knowledge has claimed that ratings are based on a 'whimsy', Infact that they are based on mathematical formula is even alluded to in the text. Taking your text as an example there could be a disparity between how much you lose by being respectful and how much you lose by being dastardly.

 

For example you are destined to lose 10 rating points for saying nothing at all, instead you are respectful and you only lose 8, you change your mind and type 'not', the system detects your negativity and redresses the balance and you lose ten, it then detects your expletives and you lose 12, you leave the chat 12 rating points down when it could have been only eight if you were respectful.  Good behaviour rewarded dastardly behaviour punished.  Panic over problem solved.

 

sammy lost -10

sammy: gg - -8
sammy: not -10
sammy: you're actually a piece of @#$% -12
sammy has left the chat

 

sammy rating went from 1536 to 1524, ( a net loss of -12) he could have avoided this by being respectful and his rating would have only diminished by negative 8 

RoobieRoo

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RoobieRoo

The system would use a text file of expressions that are known to be positive, gg, well done, excellent, You DaBomb etc and a text file of known expletives.  If it was unaware and found no entry in the text file the rating would remain unchanged and rely on a purely mathematical formulae.

Strangemover

Fun fact: The Wacky Races character Dick Dastardly's full name was Richard Milhous Dastardly.

RoobieRoo

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RoobieRoo
Strangemover wrote:

Fun fact: The Wacky Races character Dick Dastardly's full name was Richard Milhous Dastardly.

lol 

sammy_boi
robbie_1969 wrote:

No one to my knowledge has claimed that ratings are based on a 'whimsy', Infact that they are based on mathematical formula is even alluded to

Your suggestions show your lack of understanding in this regard.

In any case, formulas are meaningless in and of themselves, anyone can make them. It takes a mathematician to make a rating formula of such quality that it's used by dozens of groups all over the world. Elo and Glicko are not exclusive to chess.

 

robbie_1969 wrote:

 

sammy lost -10

sammy: gg - -8
sammy: not -10
sammy: you're actually a piece of @#$% -12
sammy has left the chat

 

sammy rating went from 1536 to 1524, ( a net loss of -12) he could have avoided this by being respectful and his rating would have only diminished by negative 8 

lol, you don't get it. People will EASILY find ways around this, while it's nearly impossible for programmers to code deductions for any negative chats.

For example, why would the word "not" cause a deduction?

And even if such deductions were reliable, they wouldn't be statistically sound. You see, ratings predict future performance based on past performance.

sammy_boi
robbie_1969 wrote:

The system would use a text file of expressions that are known to be positive, gg, well done, excellent, You DaBomb etc and a text file of known expletives.  If it was unaware and found no entry in the text file the rating would remain unchanged and rely on a purely mathematical formulae.

How many variations of "shit" can you think of? Including spaces, misspellings (with and without non-standard characters), homonyms, etc.

When you're done, do it with other languages as well.

And even after all this, "you're the shit" is a compliment.

RoobieRoo
sammy_boi wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

No one to my knowledge has claimed that ratings are based on a 'whimsy', Infact that they are based on mathematical formula is even alluded to

Your suggestions show your lack of understanding in this regard.

In any case, formulas are meaningless in and of themselves, anyone can make them. It takes a mathematician to make a rating formula of such quality that it's used by dozens of groups all over the world. Elo and Glicko are not exclusive to chess.

 

robbie_1969 wrote:

 

sammy lost -10

sammy: gg - -8
sammy: not -10
sammy: you're actually a piece of @#$% -12
sammy has left the chat

 

sammy rating went from 1536 to 1524, ( a net loss of -12) he could have avoided this by being respectful and his rating would have only diminished by negative 8 

lol, you don't get it. People will EASILY find ways around this, while it's nearly impossible for programmers to code deductions for any negative chats.

For example, why would the word "not" cause a deduction?

And even if such deductions were reliable, they wouldn't be statistically sound. You see, ratings predict future performance based on past performance.

my suggestions lack nothing of the sort.  You might believe your own propaganda but I don't.  My goodness its a vacuous debate that seeks to make matters personal.  As soon as I behold, 'you this' and 'you that' I know its trying to compensate for being impuissant and devoid of anything that approaches reasoned argument. 

 

universityofpawns

What? Speak English....lol.

sammy_boi
robbie_1969 wrote:

my suggestions lack nothing of the sort.  You might believe your own propaganda but I don't.  My goodness its a vacuous debate that seeks to make matters personal.  As soon as I behold, 'you this' and 'you that' I know its trying to compensate for being impuissant and devoid of anything that approaches reasoned argument. 

 

Such is the burden of those who make stupid suggestions. Frank analysis involves illustrating their stupidity, and there is little to talk about otherwise.

Which is really a shame, because from what I recall seeing you in other topics, you're not a dumb guy.

Well, good luck with your suggestion. I fully expect I'll never see it implemented on any site, but if it is I suppose I'll have to eat my words.

RoobieRoo
sammy_boi wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

The system would use a text file of expressions that are known to be positive, gg, well done, excellent, You DaBomb etc and a text file of known expletives.  If it was unaware and found no entry in the text file the rating would remain unchanged and rely on a purely mathematical formulae.

How many variations of "shit" can you think of? Including spaces, misspellings (with and without non-standard characters), homonyms, etc.

When you're done, do it with other languages as well.

And even after all this, "you're the shit" is a compliment.

More vacuous arguments. 'shit' is bad language, its ungentlemanly and it does not matter how many versions of it there are nor what language its in, it would flag as inappropriate.  Users would be free to approach management and submit their opponents insulting text to the text file.  I doubt very much if the vocabulary of insulting language from those who dastardly insult there opponents is very extensive,   Furthermore I plan a boolean list, with gentlemanly text and dastardly text.  If your comments are not on the list it will not flag. All else in between can be ignored.  If a user is insulted and he feels his opponent is not punished he can approach site administration with the abusive text and the culprit will have his rating reduced even further.  If he feels that he complimented his opponent and was not rewarded again he can approach management.  Naturally it will take time to populate the text file but we must begin somewhere.  As for language again users can submit the sentiments in their particular language.  My logic is sound, my methodology igneous, my logic unassailable and its futile for you to attempt to undermine by brilliant plan with these futile arguments.

RoobieRoo
sammy_boi wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

my suggestions lack nothing of the sort.  You might believe your own propaganda but I don't.  My goodness its a vacuous debate that seeks to make matters personal.  As soon as I behold, 'you this' and 'you that' I know its trying to compensate for being impuissant and devoid of anything that approaches reasoned argument. 

 

Such is the burden of those who make stupid suggestions. Frank analysis involves illustrating their stupidity, and there is little to talk about otherwise.

Which is really a shame, because from what I recall seeing you in other topics, you're not a dumb guy.

Well, good luck with your suggestion. I fully expect I'll never see it implemented on any site, but if it is I suppose I'll have to eat my words.

stupid suggestions? cya.

oregonpatzer

First of all, Elo rating determination is coded into the software, coding a respectful language parser would be much more difficult.  Second, ratings mean nothing to me and I would be happy to sacrifice 10-20 points if I could occasionally call out someone in absolutely explicit language. 

RoobieRoo

 I get the felling we wont be seeing sammy no more.

RoobieRoo
oregonpatzer wrote:

First of all, Elo rating determination is coded into the software, coding a respectful language parser would be much more difficult.  Second, ratings mean nothing to me and I would be happy to sacrifice 10-20 points if I could occasionally call out someone in absolutely explicit language. 

Sadly your personal preferences have no bearing on the matter.  Are you seriously saying that words cannot be matched against a fairly small text file and ascertain if there is a match in a matter of seconds? clearly you have never cracked your neighbors wifi password.

RoobieRoo
kaynight wrote:

robbie..awa' 'n stock wi' ra Buckie afore Nicola prices it oot yer reach. Dinnae fash yersel' wi' conduct in a chess game.

Its a matter of principle my man, the present system is a fail to deter dastardly conduct and reward gentlemanly behavior.

RoobieRoo

 If anyone has any better suggestion then let it be heard.