Some people who maybe abuse of vacation

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eddiewsox wrote:

I played a whole game (59 moves) with AWARDCHESS in one afternoon.


 Yeah!!! and I had to beg him to make a move after a couple of days wait!!!!

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Respectfully, I ask that you read from the beginning - the problem is not vacation time. It is the abuse (accidental or otherwise) of auto-vacation protection. My issue is not with Awardchess - when I addressed it to him he graciously accepted a draw in our game and I respect him for that.

Again, the issue is the auto-vacation protection that happens automatically and can (inadvertently or purposely) cause tournaments to drag on and on. You may say so what, but think for a moment if you and I agree to a game of 1 day per move and while we are playing I accept 300 other games. Subsequently I now cannot keep up with all my games but as a premium member any game that I have now is protected from losing on time. Meanwhile as I struggle to play all of my games (keep in mind I am not on vacation I am still playing).  I am no longer living up to the "agreement" I made with each player that we would move within a certain time frame. This really becomes more of an issue when it happens within a tournament.

Yes, life happens and many of us appreciate the need to utilize vacation time but what I am describing above is abuse (whether it is accidental or otherwise). Chess has a long history of people playing on principle and just because something is within the rules does not mean we are honoring that history.

Respectfully yours and open to correction,

QTSii

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Yeah, I checked the number of games and I can see why there's a problem. You can't possibly play that many games any really get any sound lessons from them. Too many games!

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I agree that one can make the argument that auto-vacation-protection can be abused. I'm not sure what a good solution is though. It is what it is - one of the many incentives offered to premium members.

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by Hugh_T_Patterson
San Francisco, CA United States 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 597

"Yeah, I checked the number of games and I can see why there's a problem. You can't possibly play that many games any really get any sound lessons from them. Too many games!"

 

Everyone study different! If it not my work, I am able play, and/or/ move pieces about 2,000 games at the different Time Set Tournaments...

Why you suggest, that it is impossible to play and get a lessons on the both ways /from loosing to winning/?

 If you are a Martial Artist, you have to hit a training target thousands time a day! Every day! if you wanna be on your good form!

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While I agree that different people learn differently, I would also argue that the experts in this situation are the world of chess teachers/mentors, along with high level players, to a certain extent.

So while I agree that the numbers are different, and some people may only learn if they play under 5 games, and others can play 25-30 or even more, it would say something if every chess teacher you interviewed said that 200+ games is too much. Kind of like every chess teacher I've ever talked to said that blitz is bad for your chess. I think that 1000+ games is sort of like blitz.

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Well said ozzie...

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ozzie_c_cobblepot  'of like every chess teacher I've ever talked to said that blitz is bad for your chess. I think that 1000+ games is sort of like blitz.'

My Playing 1,000+ games at once at www.chess.com it's a not a Blitz!

In Blitz you have to play and finish one game in a few minutes! And start another one game...

 I playing a fast play, but I am not rush to finish it now, in a few minutes, unless I  want to do it now!

But I just passed the 1,000 games+ one by one, with stops to sleep, work, eat...

 The Teachers, who never encounter 1,000+ games have no ideas about that fast Chess Challenge!, So, their 'advices' are funny and phony...

 The persons, who never ran a Marathon, know a lot of Running!

Are you need their advices about it??

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AWARDCHESS wrote:
#68
by Hugh_T_Patterson
San Francisco, CA United States 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 597

"Yeah, I checked the number of games and I can see why there's a problem. You can't possibly play that many games any really get any sound lessons from them. Too many games!"

 

Everyone study different! If it not my work, I am able play, and/or/ move pieces about 2,000 games at the different Time Set Tournaments...

Why you suggest, that it is impossible to play and get a lessons on the both ways /from loosing to winning/?

 If you are a Martial Artist, you have to hit a training target thousands time a day! Every day! if you wanna be on your good form!


Getting a lesson from games played is a personal affair but honouring your opponent with a move at the end of "contracted time" is in the interest of "fair play" and "respect" for the time the other is taking to check on his/her games progress.

I mean imagine you logon to chess.com as a last thing before jumping into bed (while the missusWink is waiting for you with a frown) just to submit moves for your opponent and find out nothing has happened all these time... but the person is online at the time and other times... it is disrespectful in my opinion.

for me chess is fun... not a duty so i would never stay online for hours.

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for me chess is fun... not a duty so i would never stay online for hours.

 

Yeah, like I said I've had problems with my pc since last wednesday, when the mother blew I was online, hence I could not log off, I could not move .....etc.

Now my time per move increses, I can't help but get vacation time & if someone looks he/she thinks that I'm consistanly on line when it's not the case!

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pleasures4life

'...for me chess is fun... not a duty so i would never stay online for hours."

Keep it fun, not a duty!

 Do not beat the opponents, just respect them and offer a GM Draws!

 And you never have to take a Vacation off duty, unless your duty take a charge of you fun!

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I think there should be no vacation time because people take there games and put them aside I think people who use Vacation should loss points and not be on chess.com anymore. that in Consideration there should be no vacation time.

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redbird2, I sure the hell would hate to work for you, why not bring Hitler back, then you can be guarented of no vacation!

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AWARDCHESS wrote:

ozzie_c_cobblepot  'of like every chess teacher I've ever talked to said that blitz is bad for your chess. I think that 1000+ games is sort of like blitz.'

My Playing 1,000+ games at once at www.chess.com it's a not a Blitz!

In Blitz you have to play and finish one game in a few minutes! And start another one game...

 I playing a fast play, but I am not rush to finish it now, in a few minutes, unless I  want to do it now!

But I just passed the 1,000 games+ one by one, with stops to sleep, work, eat...

 The Teachers, who never encounter 1,000+ games have no ideas about that fast Chess Challenge!, So, their 'advices' are funny and phony...

 The persons, who never ran a Marathon, know a lot of Running!

Are you need their advices about it??


Except in this case, you are the one who never ran a marathon. I will take GM advice over chess.com advice (even if it comes from someone as learned as yourself) any day of the week.

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Well said Demitri. No one including you should abuse vacation time.

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yes you are right..i practise a lot scuba diving and i am not interested too much chessing now...