Stalemate rule needs to be abolished!

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Ubik42

I agree, I have always thought capturing the king makes more sense.

 

Have you ever tried explaining checkmate to a 3 year old? "Well, you get the king in a position so he cannot avoid being taken, but you never actually take the king, but stop one move before..."

It is rather silly. Yes, this is the one chess rule I would like to see changed. If your opponent misses the capture, well then he should pay better attention.

Zzyzx_Road
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:

I started this thread 700 posts ago... havent checked it for months and just by chance I saw it now again... 

The thing that strikes me.... is the number of people (that play chess -- a game of intellect) commenting with utterly idiotic logic and very primitive thinking level. If these people are at such a low level, why on earth did they pick chess of all things as a hobby?  (Then again, they are stupid, so maybe its not surprising after all)

To be honest with the number of plebs in the world, Im surprised civilization is where it is .... but then again, its a handful of geniuses only that make the progress in each epoch.. which the plebs then proceed to leech off in entitled fashion.

 

"he must have drawn a won position, now he is crying about it"
and other such witty one liners (also note how often these comments reoccur, its amazing)... even though there is a clearly thought out and reasoned long post on the 1st page. 
This kind of reasoning is actually a reflection of the person typing such things... he is (in his primitive way) projecting what he does in his experience.. and thinks everyone else reasons like him. (this is a lack of "theory of mind" most childern aquire this level by around age 5) 

Throughout the 700 odd posts I have counted on my hand only 5 or so posters who replied with well thought out and insightful comments... its sad sad reality.


I, for one, am in awe of your intellect. Please don't stop with your opinion on stalemate.

What makes you happy?

What makes you sad?

What do you want to change about the world?

What are your opinions about arts and literature?

AndyClifton
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:

the number of people (that play chess -- a game of intellect

That stupid misconception again...

catnapper

Monster_with_no_Name is correct about one thing, "its a handful of geniuses only that make the progress in each epoch." However a genius knows that progress can't be made in an internet forum and wouldn't waste his time.

He is also correct about another thing, that at one time stalemate was not always considered a draw. For some to stalemate your opponent was a win. For others it was a half win, for others the one administering the stalemate lost the game. For others it was a draw. Then the geniuses of the nineteenth century decided that chess should be standardised. Obviously there were more geniuses for stalemate to be a draw than those who wanted it to be a victory.

However, not to be content with abolishing stalemate, Monster_with_no-Name wants check and checkmate abolished. But does he take up the matter with FIDE? No, he brings it up in a forum, generating 700 post and puts down everybody who disagrees with him. One could call him a troll, but he's much more than just a mere troll. He's a genius.

henryoliver

To the idiots who believe this should be abolished... what the hell is wrong with all of you??? :/ 

LV5MT

No. You're wrong. I can't say why because I became bored too easily and didn't read the entire argument, but just believe me.

TheDestructivePawn
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AndyClifton

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TheDestructivePawn
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:

I started this thread 700 posts ago... havent checked it for months and just by chance I saw it now again... 

The thing that strikes me.... is the number of people (that play chess -- a game of intellect) commenting with utterly idiotic logic and very primitive thinking level. If these people are at such a low level, why on earth did they pick chess of all things as a hobby?  (Then again, they are stupid, so maybe its not surprising after all)

To be honest with the number of plebs in the world, Im surprised civilization is where it is .... but then again, its a handful of geniuses only that make the progress in each epoch.. which the plebs then proceed to leech off in entitled fashion.

 

"he must have drawn a won position, now he is crying about it"
and other such witty one liners (also note how often these comments reoccur, its amazing)... even though there is a clearly thought out and reasoned long post on the 1st page. 
This kind of reasoning is actually a reflection of the person typing such things... he is (in his primitive way) projecting what he does in his experience.. and thinks everyone else reasons like him. (this is a lack of "theory of mind" most childern aquire this level by around age 5) 

Throughout the 700 odd posts I have counted on my hand only 5 or so posters who replied with well thought out and insightful comments... its sad sad reality.

 

I am opposed to abolishing the rule...

If you stalemate your opponent, then you do have a right to be angry. But keep in mind, it was your fault and your problem that you achieved a stalemate.

Besides, why abolish it? It saved everyone from a lost chess game and gave everyone a draw. There is nothing wrong with the rule. 

If you got a problem with the rule and want to abolish it, I highly suggest not to post your problem on chess.com and stir up a major debate. If you really want some changes made, I suggest sending a letter to FIDE and try arguing with them. After all, you do put up a good argument. What you shouldn't do is insult crowds of people who take their own time to think and respond to your comments. Have a nice day.

-TheDestructivePawn

80guitarguy

If I'm winning, the idea that I could be stalemated adds an element of challenge that I enjoy.  It prevents me from being reckless in my attack and adds a degree of artistry to it.  If I'm losing, it's a ray of hope.  I understand the flipside where winning by stalemate can also be considered artistic, but I think it opens the door to more muddled and generalized attack strategies...i.e. just throw everything at him until he's got nowhere left to go.

helltank

Yes, I hate stalemate too.

That is no reason to eradicate an ancient chess rule that no grandmaster really opposes.

And despite what everyone says about ranking being not as important as wit/cunning/bribe money/a large peacock, I think we should listen to the grandmasters.

AndyClifton

I beg to differ...

helltank

Um... point out which part of my argument you disagree with. And why.

"I beg to differ" will not win you any debates, especially with me. 

Kwame_Perry

I gotta say, i agree with the OP. Yeah stalemate is easy to avoid, but something seems wrong about KNN vs K being a draw. Not only that, but the player being stalemate is ALWAYS losing. If he cant move into check his clock runs out...simple as that. Or just let him move into check and lose...makes more sence. I do agree it would make gambits much more risky, but no rule is perfect.

helltank
Kwame_Perry wrote:

I gotta say, i agree with the OP. Yeah stalemate is easy to avoid, but something seems wrong about KNN vs K being a draw. Not only that, but the player being stalemate is ALWAYS losing. If he cant move into check his clock runs out...simple as that. Or just let him move into check and lose...makes more sence. I do agree it would make gambits much more risky, but no rule is perfect.


Then have the skill not to get KNN in the first place. Try for a KBN or something.

Monster_with_no_Name
 

I, for one, am in awe of your intellect. Please don't stop with your opinion on stalemate.
Thank you. 

What makes you happy?
Valuing, Building, Creating. 

What makes you sad?

  • The way most people live today... unthinking drunk wage slaves, chasing things they dont need without thinking about it. I worked for 10yrs, invested wisely and havent "worked" since Im 30.. Name one other animal which works over 8 hours in the day... (and we are the smartest animals on the planet?)
  • Which bring me to .... Most jobs we have today are totally unnecessary and ridiculous (HR, accounting (there should be a flat tax only), banking (there is too much of it), I wont go on .. its obvious. These are like a civil jail, just to keep people occupied and out of trouble.
  • Over population (usually the most stupid breed the most quickly)... but the more people we have, the less value the individual holds.
  • Religion, superstitions... again adopted values for lazy people.
  • Political correctness, multiculturalism, feminism... that most people have been brainwashed into their values rather than arriving at them for themselves (this whole stalemate debate is a perfect illustration of this point... ppl dont even think about it ... they just accept whats here and cling to it like a 3 yr old) 
  • Entitled masculine women (mostly western), who think they are the equal of men... in the sense that they are the "same"
  • The hobbies people have nowadays... all of it is passive (watching others doing things.. sport) or killing themselves slowly (drugs alcohol)

 

What do you want to change about the world?
The above answers a lot of that. 

What are your opinions about arts and literature?
Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Aurthur Connan Doyle, Gogol come to mind... 
Classics, including music... renaissance period.
Things that take a lifetime to create or master, done for the sake of the thing itself.
Now everything is "instant pleasure", "how much money can i sell it for" and throw away rubbish...
Black rappers sampling 80s songs and talking rubbish over it... it sums up modern art.

I could go on and on ... but you get the drift.


Kwame_Perry
 helltank wrote:
Kwame_Perry wrote:

I gotta say, i agree with the OP. Yeah stalemate is easy to avoid, but something seems wrong about KNN vs K being a draw. Not only that, but the player being stalemate is ALWAYS losing. If he cant move into check his clock runs out...simple as that. Or just let him move into check and lose...makes more sence. I do agree it would make gambits much more risky, but no rule is perfect.


Then have the skill not to get KNN in the first place. Try for a KBN or something.


i already have the skill, and if i didnt i could eventually aquire it. Its not about being able to avoid stalement...its about following a set of logical/non complicated rules...but on that note ill back out of the arguement. Agree to disagree

Ziryab

I like the positions here:

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/stalemate.html

And there are many others, but as the OP invoked the muse of chess history, it seemed necessary to reference one of her most accomplished disciples.

theoreticalboy

I knew he was a Nietzsche fan!  God, one more idiot that has read the most ludicruous passages of another idiot and thinks he can proclaim himself above all other men because of it.

Let's be unambiguous; anybody who reads Nietzsche's claptrap about the ubermensch and actually aligns his thought with the premise is an idiot, and one much more dangerously brainwashed than anyone who wants to live their life in harmony and with respect for others.

Monster_with_no_Name
theoreticalboy wrote:

I knew he was a Nietzsche fan!  God, one more idiot that has read the most ludicruous passages of another idiot and thinks he can proclaim himself above all other men because of it.

Let's be unambiguous; anybody who reads Nietzsche's claptrap about the ubermensch and actually aligns his thought with the premise is an idiot, and one much more dangerously brainwashed than anyone who wants to live their life in harmony and with respect for others.

 


I dont agree 100% with everything Nietzsche said...
However you are clearly an "average Joe" who doesnt like the idea of overmen.

There are clearly avg Joes (9-5 -ers), who passively watch others playing sport and drink themselves into comas and never achieve anything... this is 90% of humanity.

Then there are Leonardo da Vinci, Michael Angelo, Garry Kasparov, Galileo, Nietzsche (if youve read any of his books you will see he is a genius even if you dont agree with everything he says), and so on...

This men are a different breed to your avg Joe.
You can call Nietzsche an idiot, bury your head in the sand and try to ignore the facts because your an avg Joe, but there you have reality.. 

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