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Well the problem is the new V3 is going to turn the site from a Social site into a more Chess oriented site.

Which is a huge problem.

The reason this is a huge problem is because chess.com is under preforming in all area's related to strikely chess!

Chess.com's competitors have based there sites only on chess relate stuff.

Now chess.com is going to try and jump into that pool which is already filled with sharks.

It is a terrible idea.

Chess.com's competitors tournaments are crushing!

They are better in many ways.

It is because of the way they have them set up making people want to join them.

The only tournaments which I like on chess.com is the Title Tuesday one the others tournaments are not so great in my opinion.

However, the Title tuesday tournament isn't very well set up. They should make a way to record every game and have someone talk on them.

One way they could do that is by having the tournament than few hours or even days later do a rerun of each game.

Second way would be to have elimination tournaments or smaller tournaments.

Instead of having 20 boards all going at once have like 1 or 2 something manageable for someone like Daniel Rench to look over.

Once those 2 games finish have another set of 2 games go next etc.

The tournament might last longer than how it currently is but it would be fun to see all those games.

Yeah it is safe to say chess.com is under preforming in chess tournaments.

Now lets address the chess variants for all the hardcore chess players!

Well the V3 which is coming has given huge pride to the fact they have now introduced Fischer Random.

The problem is V3 is going to look like other competitor chess sites.

Which means while chess.com is so happy they now have Fischer Random in live chess there competitors are laughing at them.

Since chess.com will than have a sum total of 2 chess variants.

The competitors? are averaging 4 different chess variants and some even offer as much as 7.

• Atomic chess
• Anti-chess/Suicide chess
• Horde chess
• Bug House chess
• King of the Hill chess
• Three - Check chess

All chess.com has is Standard and Fischer Random.

Congrats chess.com V3 has 2 out of 8 you should be so very proud!

They do not understand going pound for pound in the relm of only chess against these other chess sites is going to cause them to lose clients.

You see the other chess sites are smaller than chess.com.

They are smaller which means they do not have the resources to run huge forums and huge social media activity's.

However, chess.com does and chess.com has been doing this!

You see the social media side of chess.com is what keeps chess.com running.

The easy chess.com name and social media aspect keeps them number 1!

Think about something for a min.

Millions upon millions of people have a face book!

V2 profile lay out looks similar to what?

A face book page!

Pretty simple?

I mean I hate to say it but most people who come to chess.com don't play chess!

I know its a huge shock to everyone!

However, look at the amount of points some people have!

They didn't get them all from chess.

They got them from articles, blogs, forums stuff like that.

The new V3 really does make all those features so depressing!

Can't agree more with the above.

Chess.com will lose to competitors, because it restricts ridiculous features and puts them behind a paywall.
3 tournament a week? What the.
There's a site that has hourly blitz, bullet, and classical game tournaments, free for all to play. (With variants, too!)
3-5 Tactics a day?
There's a site that have endless tactics puzzles and studies tailored to your rating.
Computer analysis?
There's a site that even gives you a link to an actual print friendly PDF version of your games (annotated, with diagrams of critical positions and variations plus suggestions) for completely free.
I can't stress this enough. It's actually pretty cool to see your own games like they were in a chess book.

I guess we all know which site is that.

Chess.com even makes you pay for an automated analysis done by a free, open source engine.
Think about that.

 No, it isn't. Many things have been added and things change too. If you see typo's or bugs are your reporting them? Also, don't forget, the major changes are back-end, to make the site easier to maintain and grow in the future.

As to your newest post, I'm pretty sure the live analysis in v3 doesn't require payment. I'm not saying that won't change but I've read posts saying that the feature will be available to everyone.

I'm not going to claim that other sites might not have some better features. Or better implementation of their features. I've used some in the past. The main thing is, everyone has choice and if people begin leaving, at least faster than new people join, then they will have to look at what can be offered to entice people to play and socialize here. I know more chess variants isn't something i care for. I have only played one game on 960 here and even if they added more, I would rarely play anything but regular chess anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one in that boat.

Analysis is behind the paywall.
For basic members, I believe that is one comp analysis per week, or so.
On other sites, they do it for free even if you just import a pgn file.
Because let's be honest:
What is the difference in actual expenses of an automated open source engine doing 500 and 5000 quick analyis a day?
Because I'm sure as hell it's not a commercial program doing who-knows-how-deep calculation that actually takes at least 4 cpu cores and hours to complete.

It's realising these things that made me try out other places.

Analysis takes resources. There are a lot of games played here and even a small percentage of games still takes resources (which does cost the site something to provide).

My comment about analysis was for v3. My understanding is that it isn't behind a paywall in that version and won't be when the site does go live (again, that could always change).

Yes, but that's just the general answer I'd get from the staff, here.
Can anyone actually tell me what's the difference between low load and full load as in expenses, electricity use, etc.?
Because, curiously, other sites do this feature for free for all members.

I didn't try the analysis out in desktop V3, because I just can't stay the constant lag and glitches it does.
But my android app (supposedly it is already V3 and completely up to date) does ask me to get a membership to continue comp analysis after a short while.

Same bs can be said about limiting live and correspondence tournaments. I mean, is there some kind of an actual prize or award?
So why on Earth put that behind a pay wall?

@ X_PLAYER_J_X and all above. Great ideas and feedback but this is the wrong place to discuss V3. I suggest all with ideas and feedback join this group - http://www.chess.com/groups/home/chesscom-v3

This Forum has run it's course. Please lock it from futher comments :)

3 staff members as administrators? Woah, baby.

     CommanderIDK. The link you provided is the most IDEAL place to discuss this monster V3, but if we can finally get some intelligent conversation going on this, perhaps we should just let them talk. If worst comes to worst, we can paste & copy with re-posting. In "site feedback & suggestions" we have 3 threads on V3.

The point is the programers monitor the V3 group for insights and feedback. Also Erik reviews the feedback in that group and we have many forums there dealing with just such issues. You can start a new forum to discuss V3 issues but this forum has turned into a comic strip and no one that needs this V3 info will be monitoring it at all. Sort of wasting your good ideas here where not much is taken seriously ?? IMO

      Martin's here       Also the noncense didn't start until approx, post 96. There's only 300 people in that group. 13 million members have access to the forums threads

Why? Because this is a business and the goals of a business is to make money, at least enough to cover all costs (infrastructure and staff).

Yeah, to monitor.
You must mean to delete complaining comments.
Didn't you notice they do that?
So much for a feedback section with staff admins.
They don't give two jacks about a hundred new threads about lag issues every day.
Have they fixed the iOs app? That's another theme appearing every day for the past 3-4 weeks.

@ GnrfFrtzl  I can't say I have seen any posts deleted in the V3 group I have been there from the beginning. If you want to talk V3 in a forum that all members can access just start a new V3 forum.

At least that way you will get the attention of all member interested in V3 and issues. Here you would not be getting as much interest as in the V3 group.

There isn't a single good reason to keep this forum open !!!  LOCK IT

      Just have Erik chime in once a month to give us a progress report. If he doesn't want to do it on camera, fine. Set up a V3 thread the way Staff monitors the SPAM thread. If its not a question directly related to V3 it gets deleted. That will take care of the nonsence. 

       Jesus Commander I don't mean any disrepect but why the insistance that this thread be locked? It was because of people like YOU that I started a little nonsence. I figured you couldn't have been the only one who missed the original broadcast. The course of the thread changed when notmtwain pointed out to me that the script of the broadcast was printed somewhere else on the site. From post 165-171 there was intelligent discussion about V3 with staff input. I believe it only went to off-topic AFTER the broadcast had taken place. I'd have to check the timeline. Remember;            "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one".

Ronald.. you started all the nonsense on post #37 and have not stopped yet. Moderator? Please lock this forum. Thank you

IMO Ronald is only here to stir up trouble with negative comments and trash talk (as usual).

       The show hadn't AIR'd yet at post 37.  Take a look at post 53.  I also attempted to re-cap the show at post 90 for the benifit of all who hadn't seen it.      Post 70--batgirl   Post 88--WBFISCHER   Post 121--P_or   Post 107--Riker   Now, did Erik or staff answer any of these?  Of course not! They don't give a rat's ass about us. AT LEAST I TRIED TO HELP  Did YOU assist anyone in this thread mdinnerspace??  Show me the post                                                                                              As much as my appearance to you is grotesque here today, I refuse to allow your in-ability to read as a basis for the blanket assistance that I attempted to provide. I just assume you say thank you. Either way, I DON'T GIVE A DAM!

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@Ronald.. post #37 you started in with the cartoons. I recall awhile back you talked about how hijacking a forum was an art form, you proclaimed yourself as the master. Now go away.

You have no interest in assisting anyone, never have, never will.