Studying openings is highly UNDERrated!

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TheOldReb
ipcress12 wrote:

To have a good positional instict, you definitely don't need memorizing ANY moves, and that is that. -- pfren

And that's why mere masters have memorized 100,000 opening moves and GM's probably a million. They are just stupid.

And that's why pfren never became a truly strong player. He spent too much reading ECO and the like.

Oh, custard.

How many IMs have you played OTB ?  My guess is none given this comment . 

ipcress12

I like studying openings. It's like visiting foreign countries. Every opening has its own customs and patterns.

The French doesn't play like the Sicilian. The Queen's Gambit Declined doesn't play like the Scotch. The King's Gambit is what they play int the alternate universe where Spock has a beard.

Yet it's all chess and what you learn in the Nimzo might apply to the French or even the middlegame or endgame.

I believe what you study passionately sticks with you. if studying openings gets you engaged with chess, do it.

If not, play the Colle or the KIA or a QB fianchetto against everything. At the class level or even beyond, you probably can reach the promised land of the "playable middlegame" that way.

ipcress12

How many IMs have you played OTB ?  My guess is none given this comment.

Reb: Nope. I did beat a guy who beat Benko. Does that count?

At this point I'm pretty unimpressed with titled guys who pull rank on me.

You and pfren may play a mean game of chess over my head. But that doeesn't mean your pontifications about chess are necessarily any better than mine.

There are 2400 players with subnormal IQs. Need I say more?

ipcress12

Here's a homeless guy who plays chess in Harvard Square. He's taken on 2200, 2300, 2400 players in a four-round Swiss and gone 4-0.

http://www.clownshoesbeer.com/uncategorized/billy-the-homeless-chess-master/

SmyslovFan
Fiveofswords wrote:

i dont much value advice given from a moron...even if they are supposed to be experts in their field. im simply not going to learn things in the same way the moron did.

Sage words to remember.

TheOldReb
Fiveofswords wrote:
ipcress12 wrote:

How many IMs have you played OTB ?  My guess is none given this comment.

Reb: Nope. I did beat a guy who beat Benko. Does that count?

At this point I'm pretty unimpressed with titled guys who pull rank on me.

You and pfren may play a mean game of chess over my head. But that doeesn't mean your pontifications about chess are necessarily any better than mine.

There are 2400 players with subnormal IQs. Need I say more?

more to the point is the simple fact that the titled people in question are clearly somewhat mentally disabled

With the attitudes the two of you have you will never be anything but low level class players . It doesnt matter if your IQ is higher than some titled players ( which is not a given in any case ) the fact is that the titled player is still better than you at chess and knows/understands much more than you do about chess . Neither of you have even played a titled player in rated chess and yet you pretend to know what they do , and don't know . 

YankeWang
ipcress12 wrote:

Here's a homeless guy who plays chess in Harvard Square. He's taken on 2200, 2300, 2400 players in a four-round Swiss and gone 4-0.

http://www.clownshoesbeer.com/uncategorized/billy-the-homeless-chess-master/

what?

TheOldReb
Fiveofswords wrote:

i dont much value advice given from a moron...even if they are supposed to be experts in their field. im simply not going to learn things in the same way the moron did.

Who are you calling a moron ? Surprised

YankeWang

someone weird

Diakonia
Reb wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

i dont much value advice given from a moron...even if they are supposed to be experts in their field. im simply not going to learn things in the same way the moron did.

Who are you calling a moron ? 

Anyone that doesnt agree with him

TheOldReb

You could be referring to me, pfren , or both of us thus the question . Afraid to give an honest answer perhaps ? 

Diakonia
ipcress12 wrote:

Here's a homeless guy who plays chess in Harvard Square. He's taken on 2200, 2300, 2400 players in a four-round Swiss and gone 4-0.

http://www.clownshoesbeer.com/uncategorized/billy-the-homeless-chess-master/

Where does it list the 2200+ players he beat?

ipcress12

Reb: I like you, I enjoy reading you, but the train left a while back where I care about what you say because you have a title.

Playing chess at master levels and beyond is impressive, but it's a savant-like speciality -- not quite as severe as calculating square roots of large numbers in your head but in that realm -- and it doesn't generalize to higher levels of critical thinking.

If you want to dispute what I say, have at it. But this "I've played IMs and you haven't" is classic logcial fallacy territory.

yellowdart6666
SmyslovFan wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

i dont much value advice given from a moron...even if they are supposed to be experts in their field. im simply not going to learn things in the same way the moron did.

Sage words to remember.

underrated post

TheOldReb

No , the fallacy is yours when you claim that any IM isnt a really strong player since you havent played any of them you have no real idea , first hand , of their strength . If you prefer to listen to class players over titled players where chess and chess improvement is concerned thats your business and I wish you well but to make such a false claim is just pure nonsense . 

SmyslovFan
ipcress12 wrote:

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If you want to dispute what I say, have at it. But this "I've played IMs and you haven't" is classic logcial fallacy territory.

How on earth is that a logical fallacy? 

[Further ranting deleted]

ipcress12

Where does it list the 2200+ players he beat?

It doesn't. That's what I heard from a Cambridge friend who knows the guy.

Here's a paper I've been mulling.

http://diginole.lib.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4563&context=etd

The finding that chess players have above average IQ scores could support the hypothesis that playing competitive chess requires innately high levels of general mental capacities. However, this would not explain various counterexamples, namely chess masters who have IQ scores below 100. Reshevsky aside, the study by Doll and Mayr (1987) found that, as a group, strong German chess masters (ratings between 2,220 and 2,425) had a mean IQ score of 106.5 (significantly higher than 100, the population norm), but had a standard deviation of 7.5. Hence, their sample of master players must have included some individuals with lower than 100 IQ scores. The existence of such individuals shows that having a high IQ score is not a prerequisite for achieving high levels of skill.

Ziryab
Fiveofswords wrote:

more to the point is the simple fact that the titled people in question are clearly somewhat mentally disabled

C'mon moderators. It is time to ban this guy who calls everyone who makes positive contributions "mentally disabled", "moron", "idiot", "retarded", or some other term favored by the early-twentieth century Eugenicists who shared his racial views.

Chicken_Monster

How are the two Bologan books compared to the  two Marin and two Lysyj books?

I'm referring to the books covering the Spanish as Black and 1. e4 e5 as Black.

ipcress12
Reb wrote:

No , the fallacy is yours when you claim that any IM isnt a really strong player since you havent played any of them you have no real idea , first hand , of their strength . If you prefer to listen to class players over titled players where chess and chess improvement is concerned thats your business and I wish you well but to make such a false claim is just pure nonsense . 

Reb: You're going to have to quote me before you stick words in my mouth. Another logical fallacy.