YankeWang wrote:
No notes, for sure. It might even be against the rules to circle move 40, but everyone does it.Why?
Probably to indicate the end of the first round of time controls - seems redundant to me.
Taking notes during OTB tournament game
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Tom_Brady_SB49_Champ wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
Last week, I was at a tournament. I sat down at the board, and shook my opponents hand. My opponent asked me what my rating was, so I told him. He then WROTE IT DOWN ON HIS SCORE SHEET!!!
Of course, I immediately got up, and informed the tournament director what my cheating opponent had done. I insisted, quite correctly, that the game should be awarded to me, due to my opponent's illegal activities.
I also said I expected his USCF membership to be suspended, and for this player to be blacklisted for tournament chess for a year. A reasonable step, imo.
But do you think any of that happened?! No!
Instead, my lazy, lackluster TD refused to penalize my (clearly) cheating opponent, and said I must proceed with the game, as if tnothing had happened!!
Naturally, I said I was withdrawing from the tournament. But the TD REFUSED TO RETURN MY ENTRY FEE.
I left anyway, amd the point was actually awarded to my opponent. Even though he was the one who was cheating.
Why is it Akobian isn't required to play against cheaters, but the rest of us are? What makes Akobian so much more special than the rest of us? Can anybody answer me that?????
you are joking right?
Wow.. ratings are public knowledge and your opponent really ought to know unless its one of those crazy all day tournaments. You are entitled to the way you feel about the issue but it certainly isn't a big enough deal for the hysterics you made at the tournament. And to call it cheating? well.. the question wasn't an unfair or dishonest one, nor does he gain any advantage by writing it down on the scoresheet.
Just looked at the latest FIDE handbook Laws of Chess and it doesn't get into the specifics on note taking and it really should.
Mar 5, 2017
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#24
Ok, I am thinking of playing in an OTB tournament - my first in 25 years -- I have an outdated 2nd edition rule book.
My question is can you have blank scoresheets with a chess board diagram (blank) at the table?
In spelling bees the good contestants will often have a blank sheet of paper that they can air write the word (no ink) before spelling - are you allowed that type of aid? paper and diagram but no pencil or ink?
Mar 5, 2017
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St3in wrote:
Ok, I am thinking of playing in an OTB tournament - my first in 25 years -- I have an outdated 2nd edition rule book.
My question is can you have blank scoresheets with a chess board diagram (blank) at the table?
In spelling bees the good contestants will often have a blank sheet of paper that they can air write the word (no ink) before spelling - are you allowed that type of aid? paper and diagram but no pencil or ink?
An odd question...You have a real chess board right in front of your face, so I can't see how that would be much different. Anyway, I doubt there is anything in the rules that addresses your specific question. My guess is that most TDs would allow it, although they might think it's a weird crutch.
Mar 5, 2017
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nochessforthewicked wrote:
During tournaments, are you allowed to write notes as an aid to calculating, or are you only allowed to write down the actual moves made?
No notes allowed in USA tournaments except for "Resigns," but any written down moves can be erased and rewritten as another move as long as you haven't moved the piece yet. Some players like to write down the move, clear their mind, then take one more look at the board to see if they missed something.
Additionally, I know of a case where one player wrote, while waiting for his opponent to move, "Resigns" as his next move, hoping his opponent see it -as he did- get careless and not see the mate in one against him. So the opponent made a quiet move, the "resigns" guy erased the word, made a move and yelled, "Checkmate!"
Mar 5, 2017
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#27
the crutch would be that you could pretend to make the move on the diagram - or write with your finger write the move (writing and erasing would be even better, but I was unclear if you could do that) -- it is a well known technique for spelling words. At home I write notes all the time but they are non rated style games. As to the rules I am actually taking no notes but just activating my own mind. I have a month to prepare - and I need to prepare as I will have to play. Thanks for the insights so far
Mar 5, 2017
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#28
St3in wrote:
the crutch would be that you could pretend to make the move on the diagram - or write with your finger write the move (writing and erasing would be even better, but I was unclear if you could do that) -- it is a well known technique for spelling words. At home I write notes all the time but they are non rated style games. As to the rules I am actually taking no notes but just activating my own mind. I have a month to prepare - and I need to prepare as I will have to play. Thanks for the insights so far
That could be a novel "first" in tournament violation claims...
Player A - "Mr. TD, my opponent is illegally taking notes!"
Player B - "No, I'm just taking imaginary "finger notes" on this empty board diagram."
TD walks away mumbling to himself, asking himself what he did to deserve this.
What is a "note?"
Mar 6, 2017
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#30
Monie49 wrote:
What is a "note?"
On your scoresheet, you're allowed to write down the header info (players' names, rating, etc.), the moves made, and the clock times. Anything else would probably be considered notes.
Mar 6, 2017
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#31
Other than names/event info/ratings, etc. the only things you are allowed to write on your scoresheet while the game is in progress are the moves, times, and draw offers.
varelse1 wrote:
Last week, I was at a tournament. I sat down at the board, and shook my opponents hand. My opponent asked me what my rating was, so I told him. He then WROTE IT DOWN ON HIS SCORE SHEET!!!
Of course, I immediately got up, and informed the tournament director what my cheating opponent had done. I insisted, quite correctly, that the game should be awarded to me, due to my opponent's illegal activities.
I also said I expected his USCF membership to be suspended, and for this player to be blacklisted for tournament chess for a year. A reasonable step, imo.
But do you think any of that happened?! No!
Instead, my lazy, lackluster TD refused to penalize my (clearly) cheating opponent, and said I must proceed with the game, as if tnothing had happened!!
Naturally, I said I was withdrawing from the tournament. But the TD REFUSED TO RETURN MY ENTRY FEE.
I left anyway, amd the point was actually awarded to my opponent. Even though he was the one who was cheating.
Why is it Akobian isn't required to play against cheaters, but the rest of us are? What makes Akobian so much more special than the rest of us? Can anybody answer me that?????
You're allowed to write down ratings, date of game, names, among other things as a header for your games
Draconis wrote:
What, precisely, could you write down on a notepad (but that you couldn't also just think without writing) that would help you solve the chess problem on the board in front of you?
If you are talented you could, for example, calculate a long compliated critical line in your head and then draw a chess diagram with the resulting position, so that you don't have to visualise it...
It's perfectly reasonable, since if you could write notes, you could memorise three or four novel lines 20 moves deep and write them down as soon as the game started. Therefore, it's best to totally prohibit notes. It was taken to ludicrous lengths, however. Players who used to write down their moves before making them were penalised. I can't think of any unfair advantage that gives you, except it might act as a prompt for a final check. I tend to use the fact that I have decided on a move in an otb tournament (if there's time) for a last look round.
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Feb 25, 2021
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#36
MickinMD wrote:
nochessforthewicked wrote:
During tournaments, are you allowed to write notes as an aid to calculating, or are you only allowed to write down the actual moves made?
No notes allowed in USA tournaments except for "Resigns," but any written down moves can be erased and rewritten as another move as long as you haven't moved the piece yet. Some players like to write down the move, clear their mind, then take one more look at the board to see if they missed something.
Additionally, I know of a case where one player wrote, while waiting for his opponent to move, "Resigns" as his next move, hoping his opponent see it -as he did- get careless and not see the mate in one against him. So the opponent made a quiet move, the "resigns" guy erased the word, made a move and yelled, "Checkmate!"
That was hilarious
I don't see anything wrong with air writing with your fingers. Like blindfold chess, except it's blindfold writing. The finger movements don't leave any visible marks on a paper. For all anyone knows, you could be conducting an orchestra in your head.
Tonya_Harding wrote:
SeniorPatzer a écrit :
I don't see anything wrong with air writing with your fingers. Like blindfold chess, except it's blindfold writing. The finger movements don't leave any visible marks on a paper. For all anyone knows, you could be conducting an orchestra in your head.
Except the FIDE rules forbids to annoy or distract your opponent by "any" mean. Details of what "any" is, is left to the arbiter. Chances are, the arbiter will tell you to stop it, or get penalized.
Slightly off-topic, but hypothetically, suppose Tonya Harding farts at the OTB rated game, whether audible or not, and the opponent complains to the arbiter that the fart smell distracted him or her.
Could you still be penalized even if you apologized, and said that it was an unintentional gas leak?
@Tom
I am not so concerned about how it affects myself, as I am about how it affecrs US chess as a whole.
When we start turning a blind eye to cheating, then EVERYBODY SUFFERS. That cannot be good for chess at all!