Teaching my son basic attack and defense

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My five-year-old son has been into Chess since before he was two years old, and he's been playing full games against me, my wife, various engines, and on Chesskid.com since he was three. He displays considerable promise, as he can often solve mate-in-1 positions, he understands several tactics like forks, skewers, and pins, and he is getting the hang of some endgame principles like the square of the Pawn and opposition.

However, he is simply not very good at the game. He has had a penchant for hanging pieces, at which we've been working hard. Now, he struggles to understand the relative values of the pieces, as well as basic attack and defense. For example, we're trying to explain to him why he shouldn't play Qxb4 in a position like this:

Or in this position, why he shouldn't capture on b5:

Or in this position, why he should capture like this:

 

We would appreciate some ideas of how we might effectively teach him when, what, and how to capture.

Avatar of King_undercover_vamp

Give him time.  It might just be that all this information on chess needs to be digested and processed in his brain for a little while.  After all, chess is not an easy game!  The fact that your 5-year old son is actually interested in chess is already a big plus!

Avatar of whirlwind2011

@King_undercover_vamp: Thank you very much for your comment. I completely agree. Still, I would like to know how I might help him understand the next steps.

Tonight, he finished this amusing miniature against my old (and quite weak) tabletop computer:

He didn't hang any pieces this time! I'm also glad that he received firsthand exposure to this basic and frequently occurring mating pattern.

Avatar of amilton542

Experience.

Avatar of kleelof

You say he can do mate in 1 puzzles. Perhaps you should make puzzles that address these issues. Trying to manage 16 pieces AND think about some of these other things can be difficult. Even for those of us nearly 10x his age.Laughing

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nice deed

Avatar of kleelof

Here is a puzzle I made for my daughter:

 
Then, if she gets it right/wrong, I ask her to explain why it was the correct/incorrect move.
Avatar of King_undercover_vamp

One problem he may be having is focus: if he's only five, his thoughts might fly around like a butterfly.  If that's so, just continue teaching him more, even if he loses games.  As he gets older, his thoughts will become more streamlined, and he'll be able to use principles he learned before.

One problem he seems to have is that he likes to push wing pawns.  Try to emphasize pushing into the center, and discourage wing pawn pushes.

Also, as amilton said, he might just be inexperienced.  As he plays more, he'll learn his common mistakes and he'll adjust.

Avatar of Charetter115

Endgames will help him understand piece value. That's when it becomes most obvious. As for hanging pieces, I agree with everyone else, he'll get better with experience.

Avatar of Robert_New_Alekhine

Later I would really emphasize fast development, even at the cost of sacrificing several pawns or more.

Avatar of kleelof

It's obvious none of you have worked much with young children.

Many of these ideas have a greater chance of discouraging him in the long run.

Baby steps is the way to go with young children.

Avatar of classof1970

I think the coach jay app is really good, my son of similar age likes it

Avatar of Diakonia
kleelof wrote:

It's obvious none of you have worked much with young children.

Many of these ideas have a greater chance of discouraging him in the long run.

Baby steps is the way to go with young children.

You know what heppens when you assume.

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King_undercover_vamp wrote:

One problem he may be having is focus: if he's only five, his thoughts might fly around like a butterfly.  If that's so, just continue teaching him more, even if he loses games.  As he gets older, his thoughts will become more streamlined, and he'll be able to use principles he learned before.

One problem he seems to have is that he likes to push wing pawns.  Try to emphasize pushing into the center, and discourage wing pawn pushes.

Also, as amilton said, he might just be inexperienced.  As he plays more, he'll learn his common mistakes and he'll adjust.

Only sometimes does he fixate on wing Pawns. He begins most games with a central Pawn advancement without being prompted.

He needs more experience in evaluating threats. He very often moves in an impulsive manner without checking to see what (if anything) was threatened, and sometimes even not noticing the opponent's move at all.

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whirlwind2011 wrote:

Only sometimes does he fixate on wing Pawns. He begins most games with a central Pawn advancement without being prompted.

He needs more experience in evaluating threats. He very often moves in an impulsive manner without checking to see what (if anything) was threatened, and sometimes even not noticing the opponent's move at all.

Well I disagree with you completely whirlwind2011. I believe your son has the makings of a great attacker. In fact, After seeing post number 3. I could agrue him running his A pawn up the board in hack attack fashion was pretty on par with other attackers.

He probably needs more help with defense. However, Defense is a huge problem for players. I mean even players in the 1600+ range struggle with defense. I find myself struggling with it from time to time lol.


Avatar of whirlwind2011

@X_PLAYER_J_XI did not say that he could not attack at all, so I don't know with what you disagree. By "basic attack and defense," I refer to material pressure, as illustrated in the diagrams at the top. I do not refer to attacking ideas such as Pawn storms and piece sacrifices.

His 3. ... a5 and 4. ... a4 were terrible moves akin to using a switchblade to attack a tank. I did not bother to think about whether they were attacking moves, because they did not come close to meeting the needs of the position.

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whirlwind2011 wrote:

@X_PLAYER_J_XI did not say that he could not attack at all, so I don't know with what you disagree. By "basic attack and defense," I refer to material pressure, as illustrated in the diagrams at the top. I do not refer to attacking ideas such as Pawn storms and piece sacrifices.

His 3. ... a5 and 4. ... a4 were terrible moves akin to using a switchblade to attack a tank. I did not bother to think about whether they were attacking moves, because they did not come close to meeting the needs of the position.

Well I was making a joke lol. I guess you did not pick up on it.

I was saying his attacking instincts are already there lol. He is running his A and H pawns up the board.

A true Attacker! The basic attacking instinct is present lol. If he can mix in some defense with this side pawn thrust than things will get interesting.

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X_PLAYER_J_X: Do not be fooled; I strongly suspected you were joking, but making that assumption could have been disrespectful.

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You can try a training method for kids. This one is really good:

http://www.stappenmethode.nl/en/