The Biggest Secret to Gaining Rating

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alphaous
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:

I have secretly encoded the previous message that you have sent. No one should be able to decrypt it now. 

Excellent, we will take down the organization, and now nobody will discover that players who play chess well play better than bad chess players, and other discoveries which would upend society!

Excellent. The plans are now in place. I will now dissolve this forum to erase all evidence of this conversation.

Wait, what? 

I cannot take the unnecessary risk in allowing an organization to find out about this conversation. If this information gets leaked, I'm doomed.  

There goes my hope of this becoming my biggest thread...

Duck
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:

I have secretly encoded the previous message that you have sent. No one should be able to decrypt it now. 

Excellent, we will take down the organization, and now nobody will discover that players who play chess well play better than bad chess players, and other discoveries which would upend society!

Excellent. The plans are now in place. I will now dissolve this forum to erase all evidence of this conversation.

Wait, what? 

I cannot take the unnecessary risk in allowing an organization to find out about this conversation. If this information gets leaked, I'm doomed.  

There goes my hope of this becoming my biggest thread...

But if we successfully defeat the lab crew, I can safely leak all the information & research we have done without the worry of me being a terrorist. 

Duck

I will say though, we have encoded the entire human genome and have advanced our research of neurons to make a laser that specifically alters your brain cells and makes you so powerful that you can move pieces with your mind. 

Duck

We have also analyzed the millions and billions and trillions of possible chess positions ever, and have found that white always wins with best play. 

Duck

And that is only a part of the wonderful revelations we have come across.  

alphaous
ScatteredWealth wrote:

We have also analyzed the millions and billions and trillions of possible chess positions ever, and have found that white always wins with best play. 

That seems to go against the consensus. I think the consensus before this study was that chess is a draw, and that's how most engine games go, and the only reason they don't draw more often is because they are programmed to not draw at all costs.

alphaous

Although the fact that good players play better chess than bad players is still the most incredible revelation.

Duck
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:

We have also analyzed the millions and billions and trillions of possible chess positions ever, and have found that white always wins with best play. 

That seems to go against the consensus. I think the consensus before this study was that chess is a draw, and that's how most engine games go, and the only reason they don't draw more often is because they are programmed to not draw at all costs.

Our engineers have programmed our bots to be 1072 times more powerful than the Fugaku supercomputer (the most powerful supercomputer known right now) These bots can execute 10^10000000000000000000000000000000 calculations per second. Thus we have proven that White has a mate in 56 from the start with best play. 

Duck
alphaous wrote:

Although the fact that good players play better chess than bad players is still the most incredible revelation.

Yes, this is indeed the scientific breakthrough that aroused excitement in our community. 

Duck

Now the primary reason I am now against my fellow lab mates is because we have developed a way to overtake the world. Now the experimental design is still in progress, but instead of using our newfound power in the making to provide the world with an endless amount of energy, my companions sadly decided to go the other way and attempt to overtake the world. I must stop the project before it is finished, or else the world population is doomed. 

DreamscapeHorizons

Umm...  win games?

alphaous
ScatteredWealth wrote:

Now the primary reason I am now against my fellow lab mates is because we have developed a way to overtake the world. Now the experimental design is still in progress, but instead of using our newfound power in the making to provide the world with an endless amount of energy, my companions sadly decided to go the other way and attempt to overtake the world. I must stop the project before it is finished, or else the world population is doomed. 

I'm sorry for doubting your noble cause.

alphaous
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

Umm...  win games?

That's basically what @B1ZMARK said on the first page.

alphaous
B1ZMARK wrote:

How about this method: play well

^^^

alphaous
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:

We have also analyzed the millions and billions and trillions of possible chess positions ever, and have found that white always wins with best play. 

That seems to go against the consensus. I think the consensus before this study was that chess is a draw, and that's how most engine games go, and the only reason they don't draw more often is because they are programmed to not draw at all costs.

Our engineers have programmed our bots to be 1072 times more powerful than the Fugaku supercomputer (the most powerful supercomputer known right now) These bots can execute 10^10000000000000000000000000000000 calculations per second. Thus we have proven that White has a mate in 56 from the start with best play. 

A serious question that I've wondered about for a long time is: Why do people say that a top player like Magnus would get destroyed in a match against an engine? I know that Magnus wouldn't be able to win a game against Stockfish, but wouldn't he be able to draw all the classical games of a World Championship format since he's become so good at drawing?

Duck
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:

We have also analyzed the millions and billions and trillions of possible chess positions ever, and have found that white always wins with best play. 

That seems to go against the consensus. I think the consensus before this study was that chess is a draw, and that's how most engine games go, and the only reason they don't draw more often is because they are programmed to not draw at all costs.

Our engineers have programmed our bots to be 1072 times more powerful than the Fugaku supercomputer (the most powerful supercomputer known right now) These bots can execute 10^10000000000000000000000000000000 calculations per second. Thus we have proven that White has a mate in 56 from the start with best play. 

A serious question that I've wondered about for a long time is: Why do people say that a top player like Magnus would get destroyed in a match against an engine? I know that Magnus wouldn't be able to win a game against Stockfish, but wouldn't he be able to draw all the classical games of a World Championship format since he's become so good at drawing?

I think that solid play is necessary to accomplish a draw (which isn't hard for Magnus) but even then a computer like stockfish would be hard to draw against since it plays so accurately.

alphaous
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:

We have also analyzed the millions and billions and trillions of possible chess positions ever, and have found that white always wins with best play. 

That seems to go against the consensus. I think the consensus before this study was that chess is a draw, and that's how most engine games go, and the only reason they don't draw more often is because they are programmed to not draw at all costs.

Our engineers have programmed our bots to be 1072 times more powerful than the Fugaku supercomputer (the most powerful supercomputer known right now) These bots can execute 10^10000000000000000000000000000000 calculations per second. Thus we have proven that White has a mate in 56 from the start with best play. 

A serious question that I've wondered about for a long time is: Why do people say that a top player like Magnus would get destroyed in a match against an engine? I know that Magnus wouldn't be able to win a game against Stockfish, but wouldn't he be able to draw all the classical games of a World Championship format since he's become so good at drawing?

I think that solid play is necessary to accomplish a draw (which isn't hard for Magnus) but even then a computer like stockfish would be hard to draw against since it plays so accurately.

True, I just think the difficulty is overstated.

taseredbirdinstinct
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:

We have also analyzed the millions and billions and trillions of possible chess positions ever, and have found that white always wins with best play. 

That seems to go against the consensus. I think the consensus before this study was that chess is a draw, and that's how most engine games go, and the only reason they don't draw more often is because they are programmed to not draw at all costs.

Our engineers have programmed our bots to be 1072 times more powerful than the Fugaku supercomputer (the most powerful supercomputer known right now) These bots can execute 10^10000000000000000000000000000000 calculations per second. Thus we have proven that White has a mate in 56 from the start with best play. 

A serious question that I've wondered about for a long time is: Why do people say that a top player like Magnus would get destroyed in a match against an engine? I know that Magnus wouldn't be able to win a game against Stockfish, but wouldn't he be able to draw all the classical games of a World Championship format since he's become so good at drawing?

I think that solid play is necessary to accomplish a draw (which isn't hard for Magnus) but even then a computer like stockfish would be hard to draw against since it plays so accurately.

Perfect play in the middlegame is entirely possible for a world champion level chess player, perfect play in the middlegame is impossible for anyone, including computers, except through the use of table bases for up to 7 pieces. A computer is still much better at endgames than any human on earth, Magnus Carlsen could draw the middlegame, though he would be completely obliterated in the endgame if he went up against a computer, he would need odds of at least either a knight or alternatively odds of two pawns to even draw against a top tier chess engine.

taseredbirdinstinct

The secret to getting better at chess is to stop playing rapid, blitz and bullet and only focus on standard chess.

alphaous
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

The secret to getting better at chess is to stop playing rapid, blitz and bullet and only focus on standard chess.

This was a mostly satirical post, and rapid, and even blitz have some benefit.