The correct pronunciation of the word "fianchetto"

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SilentKnighte5
btickler wrote:
SilentKnighte5 wrote:

What can you say about people that argue points that were never made?  ;)

Sorry, I only speak hieroglyphics.

Demonstrably false, since you are replying.

No hablo ingles.

ThrillerFan
Tyrrhenus wrote:

Okay, I am going to be pedantic so please be patient with me . As an Italian living in the UK I often have to listen to words derived from Italian funnily mispronounced (and to be fair I mispronounce a lot of english words... but I do my best! ) but I would like if, at least when it comes to chess, english-speaking commentators, video-bloggers etc pronounced "fianchetto" properly!!

The word "fianchetto" derives from the italian "fianco", which means "side" (the literal translation would be "little side" or "on the side") and in Italian the letters "che" are pronounced "ke". So this word should be pronounced "fianKEtto".

This is it 


The reason why you hear people say things wrong is because many people only look at their native language, and don't take word origins into consideration.

The English alphabet has multiple sounds for many letters, like a C can make a "ssssss" sound or a "k" sound, except when paired with an h, which has it's own sound that doesn't sound like a single letter, like "Church".

When you go to anything Italian based, like an Italian restaurant, "CH" makes the English "K" sound while "CE" makes the English "CH" sound.

Hence why it's pronounced:  "Fee An Ke Toe".

bigpoison
NotAllowedTo wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:
NotAllowedTo wrote:
richie_and_oprah wrote:

american english tends to bastardize both pronounciations and meanings of all words and ideas it appropriates from other cultures

this is keeping in line with all the other forms of cultural, social and military imperialism it operates  

+ 1111

And yet you're free to say this on an American site. That's what we fight for, and you don't even realize it.

Define "fight". Oh no another patriot coming I see him... brace yourselves...

Better yet, define "we".

SilentKnighte5

Words, their pronunciation and their meanings change over time.  If Italy doesn't like that, they should try winning a few wars next time.

Here_Is_Plenty

Hey hey no need for that.  Rome wasnt built in a day, you know.

ellie100

silentk that is mean to italians who lost there life :(

DiogenesDue
SilentKnighte5 wrote:

Words, their pronunciation and their meanings change over time.  If Italy doesn't like that, they should try winning a few wars next time.

You've played some part in winning a war?  In any case, The British Empire and Hollywood have both had far more to do with the globalization of English than American military influence.

ThrillerFan
SilentKnighte5 wrote:

Words, their pronunciation and their meanings change over time.  If Italy doesn't like that, they should try winning a few wars next time.

No, they don't change over time - culturally ignorant Americans like you would make such a statement.  Different letter combinations have different sounds based on origin.

Why do you think "cello" is pronounced "chello"?  The origin of the word is not American (we don't speak English, even though that's what most seem to think, we speak American.)  American is a language, but it's a dead language, like Latin is.  For a language to not be deemed dead, two things must apply:

1) It must continue to change - American is still changing.  For example, "Doh" and "F*ck" have been added to the dictionary in the 90s.

2) It must be the national language of at least one country.  The United States has no national language, and that is intentional.  American (or what the naive call English) is what is generally spoken here in the United States, but it's still not the "official" language of the United States.  We have no "official" or "national" language.

SilentKnighte5
ThrillerFan wrote:
SilentKnighte5 wrote:

Words, their pronunciation and their meanings change over time.  If Italy doesn't like that, they should try winning a few wars next time.

No, they don't change over time - culturally ignorant Americans like you would make such a statement. 

I guess I'll pick up a dictionary from the 1600s and go with that then since nothing changes.

bigpoison

American is a language?Undecided

SilentKnighte5
btickler wrote:
SilentKnighte5 wrote:

Words, their pronunciation and their meanings change over time.  If Italy doesn't like that, they should try winning a few wars next time.

You've played some part in winning a war?  

Yes.

Next question?

SilentKnighte5

Fun fact: The 1st english dictionary had less than 3,000 words in it.  Modern dictionaries have 150,000 or more.

Here's one of the definitions:

ventricle, the stomacke which receiues the meate 

Whoa, it's like nothing has changed in 400 years!

ThrillerFan
bigpoison wrote:

American is a language?

Actually, yes - it's officially a dead language.

bigpoison

Do you have a source?  I'm dubious.

Here_Is_Plenty
bigpoison wrote:

Do you have a source?  I'm dubious.

I used to have a source but now I am always playing ketch-up.

SilentKnighte5
r_k_ting wrote:
manfredmann wrote:

"CH" is acceptable, but only by an ignoramus 

[ˌfɪənˈtʃɛtəʊ -ˈkɛtəʊ]

Not according to the dictionary. -tʃɛtəʊ is in fact the first listed pronunciation. But I guess you can't read IPA. Now who is the ignoramous?

Ouch.  

zborg

"Max Euwe" is another tongue twister.  Pronounced Max "ER-VER."

Many years ago, there was a hilarious skit on Saturday Night Live (with Jimmy Smitts) spoofing Spanish pronunciation by English speaking folks.

The_Ghostess_Lola

(Me wondering: How would they classify local Crucian here....hmm)

Pulpofeira
zborg escribió:

"Max Euwe" is another tongue twister.  Pronounced Max "ER-VER."

Many years ago, there was a hilarious skit on Saturday Night Live (with Jimmy Smitts) spoofing Spanish pronunciation by English speaking folks.

How do you do that??

DrawingChances

Fackingchessnut