The downside of daily chess

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davidjddo wrote:

Losing a daily game is like dying by a thousand cuts. I've been told by my betters that at my level (1074) I should never resign. There is no end to the possible mistakes that can be made by the players I play. My opponents aren't GMs. But, dayyum, it's maddening watching your game go down the toilet day by day! (Okay, thanks for listening. I'm better now.)

I really like daily. When I analyze the games I am truly looking at the best game I can produce. And I've had some pretty good games I've played. There are far less opponent blunders to capitalize on and many more chances to blunder an equal position away.

Use your own judgment of when to resign. Just don't resign because your position is a little worse. There's worse and there is lost. Worse you can often fix, lost, not so much.

There is an art to finding the least bad move out of a bunch of bad moves. It's not as easy as finding the best move amongst winning ones. Almost all chess training revolves around attacking and winning positions. Virtually none of it involves defense. That's why many of us are not so great at it and why we have a hard time turning games around. Everybody makes mistakes, but you have to play solid enough to give your opponent a chance to give the game back to you little by little. Or a whole bunch at once works too. LOL. Maybe I'll look at a few of your games but I'll bet before looking that the graph bounces up and down like a yo-yo. As you get better there will be less bounces and they won't be so big. That's what you're aiming for.

1g1yy
davidjddo wrote:

Losing a daily game is like dying by a thousand cuts. I've been told by my betters that at my level (1074) I should never resign. There is no end to the possible mistakes that can be made by the players I play. My opponents aren't GMs. But, dayyum, it's maddening watching your game go down the toilet day by day! (Okay, thanks for listening. I'm better now.)

So correct me if I'm wrong here but you have no losses in Daily chess to even talk about. You're only two losses are in the three check variant against a player rated 800 points higher than you. So what exactly is this threat about?

Antonin1957

I'm not worried that playing daily will make it harder for me to play with shorter time controls because I have no interest in playing with shorter time controls, LOL. During my 40 years in the corporate world I had to keep to a schedule set by my employers. Now that I'm retired I don't want the obligation to be logged on at a certain time of day to play chess for a certain length of time. In my daily games I try to make moves as quickly as possible, but some days I just don't feel like making a move or even studying a game.

And I don't use databases. I am trying to memorize the first couple moves of some openings, but that's it. I understand that it can get boring to play a game that goes on for weeks, but it's often fun to wake up and wonder what surprises my opponent has for me today. I hope my opponents have the same sense of anticipation, although at my level of skill I doubt it, haha.

Pulpofeira

It's not the case anyway.

jetoba

I find daily to be enjoyable, particularly when playing for my chess.com club.  For faster time controls I play in my OTB club (doing reasonably well is quick and blitz time controls).

Daily can help see patterns while blitz can give experience using those patterns.

 

Using a touch pad with no mouse available does make daily easier to play on this interface.

davidjddo
Aust22 wrote:
Hello I am Austin

Hey, Austin!

davidjddo
1g1yy wrote:
davidjddo wrote:

Losing a daily game is like dying by a thousand cuts. I've been told by my betters that at my level (1074) I should never resign. There is no end to the possible mistakes that can be made by the players I play. My opponents aren't GMs. But, dayyum, it's maddening watching your game go down the toilet day by day! (Okay, thanks for listening. I'm better now.)

So correct me if I'm wrong here but you have no losses in Daily chess to even talk about. You're only two losses are in the three check variant against a player rated 800 points higher than you. So what exactly is this threat about?

I'm currently finishing up 2 daily tournaments. One of the games is headed south for me. All I'm saying is that it's hard to watch your position go to hell over time. Reread my original post, please. I never mentioned any threat. I'm losing. It's unpleasant. I vented. That's all. BTW, I've never played a three-check variant. The symbol you see indicates that the game was part of a tournament. I don't even know what a three-check variant is. Thank you for your response, though!

davidjddo
Antonin1957 wrote:

I'm not worried that playing daily will make it harder for me to play with shorter time controls because I have no interest in playing with shorter time controls, LOL. During my 40 years in the corporate world I had to keep to a schedule set by my employers. Now that I'm retired I don't want the obligation to be logged on at a certain time of day to play chess for a certain length of time. In my daily games I try to make moves as quickly as possible, but some days I just don't feel like making a move or even studying a game.

And I don't use databases. I am trying to memorize the first couple moves of some openings, but that's it. I understand that it can get boring to play a game that goes on for weeks, but it's often fun to wake up and wonder what surprises my opponent has for me today. I hope my opponents have the same sense of anticipation, although at my level of skill I doubt it, haha.

I agree, and I love waking up to a surprise. I just don't like to watch myself bleeding to death day after day. LOL!

jetoba
davidjddo wrote:..Reread my original post, please. I never mentioned any threat...

I think it was a typo and was supposed to be thread.  He was wondering why you created the original post in the first place.

davidjddo
jetoba wrote:
davidjddo wrote:..Reread my original post, please. I never mentioned any threat...

I think it was a typo and was supposed to be thread.  He was wondering why you created the original post in the first place.

I hadn't thought about that. Good insight.

davidjddo
Optimissed wrote:
davidjddo wrote:

Losing a daily game is like dying by a thousand cuts. I've been told by my betters that at my level (1074) I should never resign. There is no end to the possible mistakes that can be made by the players I play. My opponents aren't GMs. But, dayyum, it's maddening watching your game go down the toilet day by day! (Okay, thanks for listening. I'm better now.)

Betters can be very wrong.

Resign and put your energy and enjoyment into a new game. Gradually improve, instead of languishing in something you dislike. But there's no point playing unless you try hard to understand where you go wrong and try to put it right.

Best of luck.

Thanks. And I agree. BTW, I think your handle is marvelous. It made me laugh because I used to be part of the OptiFast weight loss diet years ago.

oorskboy
Heaven eternity
1g1yy
davidjddo wrote:
1g1yy wrote:
davidjddo wrote:

Losing a daily game is like dying by a thousand cuts. I've been told by my betters that at my level (1074) I should never resign. There is no end to the possible mistakes that can be made by the players I play. My opponents aren't GMs. But, dayyum, it's maddening watching your game go down the toilet day by day! (Okay, thanks for listening. I'm better now.)

So correct me if I'm wrong here but you have no losses in Daily chess to even talk about. You're only two losses are in the three check variant against a player rated 800 points higher than you. So what exactly is this threat about?

I'm currently finishing up 2 daily tournaments. One of the games is headed south for me. All I'm saying is that it's hard to watch your position go to hell over time. Reread my original post, please. I never mentioned any threat. I'm losing. It's unpleasant. I vented. That's all. BTW, I've never played a three-check variant. The symbol you see indicates that the game was part of a tournament. I don't even know what a three-check variant is. Thank you for your response, though!

To begin with, voice to text changed THREAD to THREAT after it was in there correctly and so that caused some confusion.

You played in a club tournament for your only 2 Daily losses, both to the same player.  The club theme is all sorts of variants, and the name of the tournament was, ready for it?

3 CHECK FUN vs Seniors Chess

So ok, I didn't look at the games individually, but it's your only 2 losses and I wrongly assumed that if the name of the tourney was "3 Check fun", it was 3 check. Hence the reason I didn't look at the games themselves.  All others appeared to be normal chess.   Oddly enough, so are those two... 

Ok, so you're in the process of losing a few games, well, buckle up butter cup!   There'll be more. Play the best moves you can and try to pull off an upset.  I'm in one right now, it's likely pretty well lost, but, I'm not resigning.  There's still a lot to learn, possibly more than if I was winning. 

BlueHen86
Pulpofeira wrote:
qmjWolf escribió:

daily chess doesn't exactly praise good instinct, because you can use the analysis board and also spend a lot of time on the moves

Which is a great way to develop good instinct.

I think there's a downside to that though. Over the board you are forced to work out the moves in your head, the analysis board can make you 'lazy'.

davidjddo
1g1yy wrote:
davidjddo wrote:
1g1yy wrote:
davidjddo wrote:

Losing a daily game is like dying by a thousand cuts. I've been told by my betters that at my level (1074) I should never resign. There is no end to the possible mistakes that can be made by the players I play. My opponents aren't GMs. But, dayyum, it's maddening watching your game go down the toilet day by day! (Okay, thanks for listening. I'm better now.)

So correct me if I'm wrong here but you have no losses in Daily chess to even talk about. You're only two losses are in the three check variant against a player rated 800 points higher than you. So what exactly is this threat about?

I'm currently finishing up 2 daily tournaments. One of the games is headed south for me. All I'm saying is that it's hard to watch your position go to hell over time. Reread my original post, please. I never mentioned any threat. I'm losing. It's unpleasant. I vented. That's all. BTW, I've never played a three-check variant. The symbol you see indicates that the game was part of a tournament. I don't even know what a three-check variant is. Thank you for your response, though!

To begin with, voice to text changed THREAD to THREAT after it was in there correctly and so that caused some confusion.

You played in a club tournament for your only 2 Daily losses, both to the same player.  The club theme is all sorts of variants, and the name of the tournament was, ready for it?

3 CHECK FUN vs Seniors Chess

So ok, I didn't look at the games individually, but it's your only 2 losses and I wrongly assumed that if the name of the tourney was "3 Check fun", it was 3 check. Hence the reason I didn't look at the games themselves.  All others appeared to be normal chess.   Oddly enough, so are those two... 

Ok, so you're in the process of losing a few games, well, buckle up butter cup!   There'll be more. Play the best moves you can and try to pull off an upset.  I'm in one right now, it's likely pretty well lost, but, I'm not resigning.  There's still a lot to learn, possibly more than if I was winning. 

I reread my last response to you, and I must apologize for the tone of my post. To be honest, I felt a bit cross-examined after you checked my history. I'm not unfamiliar with losing. I was just commenting on the special feelings I get when I look at my ruined position day after day. I had never experienced that because I'm new to daily chess. I just resigned from the game because frankly, I didn't want to look at that game anymore. You've actually taught me a bit through reading your posts, and I sincerely appreciate your feedback! (And by the way, I did suck it up, buttercup! LOL!!!)

1g1yy
davidjddo wrote:

I reread my last response to you, and I must apologize for the tone of my post. To be honest, I felt a bit cross-examined after you checked my history. I'm not unfamiliar with losing. I was just commenting on the special feelings I get when I look at my ruined position day after day. I had never experienced that because I'm new to daily chess. I just resigned from the game because frankly, I didn't want to look at that game anymore. You've actually taught me a bit through reading your posts, and I sincerely appreciate your feedback! (And by the way, I did suck it up, buttercup! LOL!!!)

You've got nothing to apologize to me for, no problemo!  I'm not one of the internet karens who gets upset about everything and dreams up new ways to interpret things so I can be offended.  I'd have bet my house that those two games were 3 check!  Lol. 

I just looked at the game and while I suppose it wasn't fun finding those moves, you were -7.66 on move 18, yet on move 32 you were back to -6.88 from -10  and on move 39 you'd held on and were still only  -11. That's some great defense!  I'll have to look at that later (still at work).  That was commendable.  

JackBirchwood

Downside is that some take it too serious. Also some stall or take ages to move. It’s kind of redundant with the time control options on the site. Rapid Chess is a better way to learn.