The Magnus-era is over

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Scandinav12345

As a Norwegian, i regret to say it, but it is very clear. Magnus Carlsen played better for three years ago than now. Today he plays less creative and more conventional, and he makes more mistakes. His era is over. 

notmtwain
Scandinav12345 wrote:

As a Norwegian, i regret to say it, but it is very clear. Magnus Carlsen played better for three years ago than now. Today he plays less creative and more conventional, and he makes more mistakes. His era is over. 

Please post examples of how he "played better" and also your suggestions for him so that he can get back on track.

I am sure he would appreciate the help.

stiggling

His era of obliterating the competition is over... in the past the gap between him and #2 on the rating list was as big as between #2 and #30.

But his era in general isn't over. I can easily see him defending his title a few more times.

ArtificialCastling

He played in the world championship a few weeks ago, of course he is tired! 

Pulpofeira

Praggnanandhaa's era is over, too! Next, please! Quick, quick! And the WC match seemed neverending to me! Faster, faster! Everything should pass much faster!

Talnivarr_the_Sleeper

Whose era is it now then?

Jenium
Scandinav12345 wrote:

As a Norwegian, i regret to say it, but it is very clear. Magnus Carlsen played better for three years ago than now. Today he plays less creative and more conventional, and he makes more mistakes. His era is over. 

No offense, but as a 1100 player, what makes you entitled to judge the level of his play?

Talnivarr_the_Sleeper
666Buffchix wrote:
tired_of_ignorance wrote:

Whose era is it now then?

Didn't you JEAR from so many on this site and so many other places..."Fabi" is the rightful world champion.Apparently standards are so low these days that he can get shut-out yet still is considered "rightfully" the champ.

Yeah, those "many" think so but I wonder what the op thinks about it.

Talnivarr_the_Sleeper
666Buffchix wrote:
tired_of_ignorance wrote:
666Buffchix wrote:
tired_of_ignorance wrote:

Whose era is it now then?

Didn't you JEAR from so many on this site and so many other places..."Fabi" is the rightful world champion.Apparently standards are so low these days that he can get shut-out yet still is considered "rightfully" the champ.

Yeah, those "many" think so but I wonder what the op thinks about it.

Probably not much, but maybe there's a small chance he's like a self-hating Norwegian or something who was rooting for "Fabi".

At least he hasn't said it yet.

autobunny
tired_of_ignorance wrote:

Whose era is it now then?

Or for the last 2 years?   Since he played better only 3 years ago. 

quadibloc
666Buffchix wrote:

What exactly does you being Norwegian have to do with anything? Do you get royalty checks if Magnus wins?

What did being American have to do with anything when Fischer was up against Spassky?

So I'm afraid I don't understand you; of course one expects people from Norway to be excited and happy that one of their own is the world chess champion. After all, people in India were excited and happy when Viswanathan Anand became the world chess champion.

I think that first the world chess championship, and now this rapid championship, show that Carlsen needs to avoid overconfidence, and be well-prepared and work hard from the very beginning of an event. But despite this weakness, he is still strong enough to recover from the initial setback and emerge the winner.

So I don't see evidence that his era is over. But as has been noted, there are now other players nipping at his heels, so it may be past the halfway mark.

Talnivarr_the_Sleeper
autobunny wrote:
tired_of_ignorance wrote:

Whose era is it now then?

Or for the last 2 years?   Since he played better only 3 years ago. 

No, now. Right now. Whose era is it now and when has it begun?

Scandinav12345
notmtwain wrote:
Scandinav12345 wrote:

As a Norwegian, i regret to say it, but it is very clear. Magnus Carlsen played better for three years ago than now. Today he plays less creative and more conventional, and he makes more mistakes. His era is over. 

Please post examples of how he "played better" and also your suggestions for him so that he can get back on track.

I am sure he would appreciate the help.

I would like to give examples, but I am afraid it would demand an article or even a book. In stead i trust my feelings: When i followed Magnus´ play for some years ago I was excited and learned something new every time. Now I get bored. 

Scandinav12345
666Buffchix wrote:
Scandinav12345 wrote:

As a Norwegian, i regret to say it, but it is very clear. Magnus Carlsen played better for three years ago than now. Today he plays less creative and more conventional, and he makes more mistakes. His era is over. 

I agree with your assessment except for the Magnus era is still going. He's in that awkward stage right now where he really might not be the best but where no one can dethrone him. Like Drawnand from 5-10 years ago, and everyone loved him. What exactly does you being Norwegian have to do with anything? Do you get royalty checks if Magnus wins?

Quadibloc from Canada answers this very good. More personal: Norway has many winter athletes, a few good authors and painters, but has never had a good chess player. Then Magnus came. Now he is a sort of national hero, and he has stimulated chess all over the country. Small boys and girls play chess, they didn't´t before. Old people play chess. Two TV channels followed his fights against Fabiano Caruana, from minute to minute. Chess has been popular. I can now play chess with friends and neighbors. Impossible for some years ago. So if Magnus is loosing the title, it is really sad news for chess players in Norway. 

ed1975
Scandinav12345 wrote:
666Buffchix wrote:
Scandinav12345 wrote:

As a Norwegian, i regret to say it, but it is very clear. Magnus Carlsen played better for three years ago than now. Today he plays less creative and more conventional, and he makes more mistakes. His era is over. 

I agree with your assessment except for the Magnus era is still going. He's in that awkward stage right now where he really might not be the best but where no one can dethrone him. Like Drawnand from 5-10 years ago, and everyone loved him. What exactly does you being Norwegian have to do with anything? Do you get royalty checks if Magnus wins?

Norway has a few good authors and painters, but has never had a good chess player. 

Ibsen, Bjørnson, Lie, Kielland, Hamsun....and MUNCH! I love the pictures Egedius, Krohg, Munthe, Peterssen, Werenskiold and Wetlesen did for Snorre (Det Norske Samlaget). 

ed1975
quadibloc wrote:

What did being American have to do with anything when Fischer was up against Spassky?

Took the words right out of my mouth. Americans are the first to fly the flag when one of their own is champ at something.

superchessmachine
stiggling wrote:

His era of obliterating the competition is over... in the past the gap between him and #2 on the rating list was as big as between #2 and #30.

But his era in general isn't over. I can easily see him defending his title a few more times.

8 points is very far from 108 points. But that was never true to start with.

 

Although it is obvious that 67 and 80 are better numbers.

 

"In the long run, we're all dead."

~ @vishynotanand

AlisonHart

Has anyone else been looking at the world blitz? Carlsen is killing everyone and doing so in style.

 

Chess players seem to have the memory of a goldfish when it comes to tournament performance: Magnus was talked about as the greatest player in history when he won the WCC (a month ago).... then comes in joint second (or third?) in the world rapid, and everyone calls for a hearse.

 

He is objectively one of the top 5 players in the world in both rapid and classical, and he's probably THE best in blitz. No other player has the whole skill-set in terms of modern time controls. And - like it or not - all the time controls are taken into account for a world champion.

Waffenspiel
Scandinav12345 wrote:

As a Norwegian, i regret to say it, but it is very clear. Magnus Carlsen played better for three years ago than now. Today he plays less creative and more conventional, and he makes more mistakes. His era is over. 

This post hasn't aged well!