The Myth of Autism and Chess

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DragonPhoenixSlayer

this post is offensive!

DiogenesDue
Nekhemevich wrote:

stupid Mfers! Squarely, will you run for president?

That would be good, he can split the "I haven't got a clue but you sure have riled me up!" votes with Trump.

Squarely

Autism is the trend popular of the day.  Oh, the poor babies!  How did the world survive for tens of thousands of years without the benefit of this new disability?

It is similuar to all of the weird behaviors we see today.  You can't just search for girls anymore; it has to be a specific fetish.

"Skinny girls...fat girls...college girls...community college girls...girls who dropped out of college but are thinking about going back...et cetera."

As much as my heart goes out to the mothers who have to deal with this condition, I wonder if any of the consider the possibility that leaving their infant with a poorly quallified babysitter for the formative years could be the cause of a childs inability to properly develop.

u0110001101101000

If you've known a toddler with autism you'd know it's not the babysitter's fault (lol).

And how did people survive for thousands of years without the term "autism?" Easy. Demon possession, changelings, exorcists, fairies, wind spirits, full moons, etc.

 

Squarely

A Spartan heart.  After a child was born in ancient Greece, three of the town elders visited the infant.  If they found any defect, they took the baby and left it on the hill for wolves.

The opposite is America today, where the most important priority is a child self-esteem.  So EVERY child is above average and regardless of how stupid you are, your get Federal funding while the truly gifted are short-changed.

The merit system has disappeared and people are advanced based on their classification instead of competence. 

Yes, I am a cynic and "square" but I was hammered into that shape after watching the average IQ decline over decades and having to tolerate idiots as equals.

thegreat_patzer

from history.com

 

The Spartans may have built one of the finest militaries of the ancient world, but their culture was so harsh that the word “spartan” has become synonymous with an austere way of life. Spartan society was carefully constructed around a strict moral code and sense of duty, and its people underwent extreme hardships and deprivation on their way to becoming accepted as full citizens. From adolescent military training to state-sponsored hazing, explore eight reasons why these ancient Greek warriors had a rough go of it.

 

Spartans had to prove their fitness even as infants.

Infanticide was a disturbingly common act in the ancient world, but in Sparta this practice was organized and managed by the state. All Spartan infants were brought before a council of inspectors and examined for physical defects, and those who weren’t up to standards were left to die. The ancient historian Plutarch claimed these “ill-born” Spartan babies were tossed into a chasm at the foot of Mount Taygetus, but most historians now dismiss this as a myth. If a Spartan baby was judged to be unfit for its future duty as a soldier, it was most likely abandoned on a nearby hillside. Left alone, the child would either die of exposure or be rescued and adopted by strangers.

Babies who passed inspection still didn’t have it easy. To test their constitutions, Spartan infants were often bathed in wine instead of water. They were also frequently ignored when they cried and commanded never to fear darkness or solitude. According to Plutarch, these “tough love” parenting techniques were so admired by foreigners that Spartan women were widely sought after for their skill as nurses and nannies.

Spartan children were placed in a military-style education program.

At the age of 7, Spartan boys were removed from their parents’ homes and began the “agoge,” a state-sponsored training regimen designed to mold them into skilled warriors and moral citizens. Separated from their families and housed in communal barracks, the young soldiers-in-waiting were instructed in scholastics, warfare, stealth, hunting and athletics. At age 12, initiates were deprived of all clothing save for a red cloak and forced to sleep outside and make their own beds from reeds. To ready them for a life in the field, the boy soldiers were also encouraged to scavenge and even steal their food, though if detected they were punished with floggings.

Just as all Spartan men were expected to be fighters, all women were expected to bear children. Spartan girls were allowed to remain with their parents, but they were also subjected to a rigorous education and training program. While boys were readied for a life on campaign, girls practiced dance, gymnastics and javelin and discus throwing, which were thought to make them physically strong for motherhood.

Hazing and fighting were encouraged among Spartan children.

Much of the Spartan agoge involved typical school subjects like reading, writing, rhetoric and poetry, but the training regimen also had a vicious side. To toughen the young warriors and encourage their development as soldiers, instructors and older men would often instigate fights and arguments between trainees. The agoge was partially designed to help make the youths resistant to hardships like cold, hunger and pain, and boys who showed signs of cowardice or timidity were subject to teasing and violence by peers and superiors alike.

Even Spartan girls were known to participate in this ritualized hazing. During certain religious and state ceremonies, girls would stand before Spartan dignitaries and sing choral songs about the young men of the agoge, often singling out specific trainees for ridicule in order to shame them into stepping up their performance.

All Spartan men were expected to be lifelong soldiers.

As grueling as Sparta’s martial education system could be, the soldier’s life was the only option for young men who wished to become equal citizens, or “Homoioi.” According to the edicts of the Spartan lawmaker and reformer Lycurgus, male citizens were legally prevented from choosing any occupation other than the military. This commitment could last for decades, as warriors were required to remain on reserve duty until the age of 60.

Because of their preoccupation with the study of warfare, Sparta’s manufacturing and agriculture were left entirely to the lower classes. Skilled laborers, traders and craftsmen were part of the “Perioeci,” a class of free non-citizens who lived in the surrounding region of Laconia. Meanwhile, agriculture and food production fell to the enslaved Helots, a servile class that made up the majority of Sparta’s population. Ironically, constant fear of Helot revolts and uprisings was a major reason why the Spartan elite became so devoted to building a strong military in the first place.

Spartan youths were ritualistically beaten and flogged.

One of Sparta’s most brutal practices involved a so-called “contest of endurance” in which adolescents were flogged—sometimes to the death—in front of an altar at the sanctuary of Artemis Orthia. Known as the “diamastigosis,” this annual practice was originally used as both a religious ritual and a test of the boys’ bravery and resistance to pain. It later devolved into an outright blood sport after Sparta went into decline and fell under control of the Roman Empire. By the third century A.D. there was even an amphitheater constructed so that scores of tourists could cheer on the grisly ordeal.

Food was intentionally kept scarce, and poor fitness was cause for ridicule.

When a Spartan man completed the main phase of the agoge at around age 21, he was elected to a “syssitia”—a military-style mess where citizens gathered for public meals. To prepare soldiers for the strain of war and discourage poor fitness, the rations doled out at these communal dining halls were always bland and slightly insufficient. Spartans were renowned for their devotion to physical fitness and proper diet, and they reserved a special loathing for overweight citizens, who were publicly ridiculed and risked being banished from the city-state.

Wine was a staple of the Spartan diet, but they rarely drank to excess and often cautioned their children against drunkenness. In some cases, they would even force Helot slaves to get wildly inebriated as a way of showing young Spartans the negative effects of alcohol.

Spartan men were not allowed to live with their wives until age 30.

Spartan society didn’t discourage romantic love, but marriage and childrearing were both subject to some peculiar cultural and governmental constraints. The state counseled that men should marry at age 30 and women at 20. Since all men were required to live in a military barracks until 30, couples who married earlier were forced to live separately until the husband completed his active duty military service.

The Spartans saw marriage primarily as a means for conceiving new soldiers, and citizens were encouraged to consider the health and fitness of their mate before tying the knot. In fact, husbands who were unable to have children were expected to seek out virile substitutes to impregnate their wives. Likewise, bachelors were seen as neglecting their duty and were often publically mocked and humiliated at religious festivals.

Surrender in battle was the ultimate disgrace.

Spartan soldiers were expected to fight without fear and to the last man. Surrender was viewed as the epitome of cowardice, and warriors who voluntarily laid down their arms were so shamed that they often resorted to suicide. According to the ancient historian Herodotus, two Spartan soldiers who missed out on the famous Battle of Thermopylae returned to their homeland disgraced. One later hanged himself, and the other was only redeemed after he died fighting in a later engagement.

Even Spartan mothers were known for their do-or-die approach to military campaigns. Spartan women are said to have sent their sons off to war with a chilling reminder: “Return with your shield or on it.” If a Spartan trooper died in battle, he was viewed as having completed his duty as a citizen. In fact, the law mandated that only two classes of people could have their names inscribed on their tombstones: women who died in childbirth and men who fell in combat.

advancededitingtool1

Fu*k thi s**t, I'm Athenian.

danthemasterman
Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhha ha ha .!
u0110001101101000
Squarely wrote:

A Spartan heart.  After a child was born in ancient Greece, three of the town elders visited the infant.  If they found any defect, they took the baby and left it on the hill for wolves.

The opposite is America today, where the most important priority is a child self-esteem.  So EVERY child is above average and regardless of how stupid you are, your get Federal funding while the truly gifted are short-changed.

The merit system has disappeared and people are advanced based on their classification instead of competence. 

Yes, I am a cynic and "square" but I was hammered into that shape after watching the average IQ decline over decades and having to tolerate idiots as equals.

Everyone is a winner and everyone is taken care of is an ideal society though. It's impractical of course, but it's odd to me to ridicule the underlying values.

WoodRuler
Harmbtn wrote:

Psychology is very complex because the brain is very complex, and diagnosing a deceased person is practically impossible. Granted Bobby Fischer had a lot of symptoms pointing towards psychosis, but we now know that there are multiple mental disorders that can trigger this. Lack of empathy and poor relationship skills could also be signs of antisocial personality disorder, etc. 

He may have been autistic and he may have been schizophrenic, but to outright state that he was, both, and conclude that therefore autism and schizophrenia are the same thing. Well, let's just say I think we would give even Fischer's crazy ideas a run for his money...

or he may just have been a normal human being with normal human emotions and reactions who happened to be really good at chess... 

u0110001101101000
RJ1129 wrote:
Harmbtn wrote:

Psychology is very complex because the brain is very complex, and diagnosing a deceased person is practically impossible. Granted Bobby Fischer had a lot of symptoms pointing towards psychosis, but we now know that there are multiple mental disorders that can trigger this. Lack of empathy and poor relationship skills could also be signs of antisocial personality disorder, etc. 

He may have been autistic and he may have been schizophrenic, but to outright state that he was, both, and conclude that therefore autism and schizophrenia are the same thing. Well, let's just say I think we would give even Fischer's crazy ideas a run for his money...

or he may just have been a normal human being with normal human emotions and reactions who happened to be really good at chess... 

And who happend to believe Jews controlled the world from the shadows, and had his fillings removed because he thought they were affecting his health, gave a lot of his money to a cult church, etc. meh.png

I'm not saying he was schizophrenic, just that he wasn't an average guy who has also world champion at chess.

DiogenesDue
Squarely wrote:

A Spartan heart.  After a child was born in ancient Greece, three of the town elders visited the infant.  If they found any defect, they took the baby and left it on the hill for wolves.

The opposite is America today, where the most important priority is a child self-esteem.  So EVERY child is above average and regardless of how stupid you are, your get Federal funding while the truly gifted are short-changed.

The merit system has disappeared and people are advanced based on their classification instead of competence. 

Yes, I am a cynic and "square" but I was hammered into that shape after watching the average IQ decline over decades and having to tolerate idiots as equals.

Yes, I'm sure the society that abandons infants to wolves is superior to ours ;)...

Where did you get your stats on average IQ declining?  CrackerJack box?

P.S. The belief system of cynics is widely mis-represented:

"Cynicism (Greekκυνισμός) is a school of Ancient Greek philosophy as practiced by the Cynics (GreekΚυνικοίLatinCynici). For the Cynics, the purpose of life was to live in virtue, in agreement with nature. As reasoning creatures, people could gain happiness by rigorous training and by living in a way which was natural for themselves, rejecting all conventional desires for wealth, power, sex and fame. Instead, they were to lead a simple life free from all possessions."

This does not sound anything like you, because:  virtue, agreement, reasoning creatures, happiness.

Pulpofeira

Variety = strenght.

RoobieRoo
0110001101101000 wrote:
 

And who happend to believe Jews controlled the world from the shadows, and had his fillings removed because he thought they were affecting his health, gave a lot of his money to a cult church, etc. 

I'm not saying he was schizophrenic, just that he wasn't an average guy who has also world champion at chess.

So lets get this.  Every conspiracy theorist, everyone who claims the right of self determination with regard to matters pertaining to their own body and who donate money to a religious organisation they affiliate with is if we extend your criteria and carry it forward suffering from some kind of mental illness?  

Bobby Fischer must have spawned more armchair quacks than anyone in the history of humanity!

RoobieRoo
kaynight wrote:

Wheeee!!!

Wow oot yer face an its oney thursday ee'n, wit a pure jakey spangle!

Pulpofeira

So close and so far away...

Pulpofeira

Great, I hope is not a popular destination for Glescans! :D

incantevoleutopia
0110001101101000 wrote:

Everyone is a winner and everyone is taken care of is an ideal society though. It's impractical of course, but it's odd to me to ridicule the underlying values.

One minute I agree with this and the other I don't, ad infinitum. The subject's too important to be ridiculed by my english so I'll just say that it is crazy when you think about humans being the only species that could work like that in the whole nature system or whatever you want to call it. I mean, baby animals who are deemed unfit for survival are usually left behind no? That's kinda scary but deep down you can understand it's totally ... natural?

Pulpofeira
kaynight escribió:

Pulp...The unwashed go to Tenerifeeee....

Easier to find I suppose...

Pulpofeira
incantevoleutopia escribió:
0110001101101000 wrote:

Everyone is a winner and everyone is taken care of is an ideal society though. It's impractical of course, but it's odd to me to ridicule the underlying values.

One minute I agree with this and the other I don't, ad infinitum. The subject's too important to be ridiculed by my english so I'll just say that it is crazy when you think about humans being the only species that could work like that in the whole nature system or whatever you want to call it. I mean, baby animals who are deemed unfit for survival are usually left behind no? That's kinda scary but deep down you can understand it's totally ... natural?

Yep, but nature is not precisely a good role model for human societies, as Darwin himself spotted:  "What a book a devil's chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering, low and horribly cruel processes of nature,''