The Rossetto stone?

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heallan

Hello

RE: Fischer, R. vs Rossetto, H. 1959. Mar del Plata.

Hector resigned, but I have found a draw - can anybody else?

Link here: www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1008378

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justbefair
heallan wrote:

Hello

RE: Fischer, R. vs Rossetto, H. 1959. Mar del Plata.

Hector resigned, but I have found a draw - can anybody else?

Link here: www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1008378

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/ Well, Bobby Fischer liked the game enough to include it in "My 60 Memorable Games." He couldn't find the draw. He cited it as an example of zugzwang.
 
Is it possible that you have found something he missed?
 
GriffTheChessBoy
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heallan

Hello @justbefair - thank you for responding to me, for referencing the work and for providing a digital board to work from.

As far as our protagonist is concerned, the general of the black pieces was aiming at that stage to proceed through the echelons of chess title-age.

His competition with Fischer being one step in the progress toward the top.

When two candidate masters meet, the suggestion of this would have loomed over them both; perhaps, to an extent that the game's actualisation was influenced.

He opens in response to a formulaic opening move with the most widely studied of all chess theories, thus accepting the lessons of his forefathers.

With a view to securing a win, he opts to restrain the attacking prowess of his opponent with a well recognised variant.

Also, his countryman Miguel Najdorf may have been a ominous burden on his already challenging position going second.

The game proceeds in much the way a Najdorf would with black ultimately arresting the centre pawn from white's clutches, and defending his home with the pawn increment 6...a6.

However, Fischer plays well and negotiates the more favourable ending minor piece.

Although Hector could have easily seen that a fork with his Knight on the rook and bishop could provide a means of repelling the promotion threat, it may be that he wanted to conserve his energy to, ultimately, acquire a number of well earned wins at the Marta del Plata that year; standing him well up the table of best performers at that venue.

As far as Fischer's motivation for accepting the draw, I can only see that he would have preferred minor piece movements over edging up pawns in the right frame of mind.

Who knows what goes through the mind of a great master?

What even is a master?

Are we all masters really?

These are questions to explore, this game being an exemplary instance where wits and discourse are surely favoured over an accord on suspicious grounds.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

blueemu

What draw do you claim to have found?

Doesn't Black lose a piece almost immediately?

heallan

Hello @blueemu and can I applaud you on you rhyming username here on chess.com.

With such a penchance for poetry, I hope you can appreciate the reference that this post's title makes.

Regards your picture, I am unaware of its identity, but colourful nonetheless!

In reference to the outcome of the game, Hector found a number of draws in that sitting.

Is it possible that what is demonstrated above refers to one of those?

Being nearly over seventy years ago, in an age without computers, where recordings were sparse and TD/Arbiters hard to come by; this is entirely plausible.

Without redeploying all pieces, assembling the men and factoring the combinations/calculations, I am not really in a position to answer; but, if you would like to supply a remark on this topic, then feel free.

BlueHen86

Where is the draw?

blueemu
heallan wrote:

... if you would like to supply a remark on this topic, then feel free.

My profile picture? It was drawn for me - Blue Emu - by Nick Krain (now working in Hollywood (!) as a Director) back when he and I both worked on the Untalkative Bunny Project (I was series choreographer, he was Posing & Keys).

My remarks on the Fischer - Rosetto game?

Black can't move without losing a piece.

Any Black Rook move allows c7-c8(Q)+ (discovered check by the White Rook).

Any Black Knight move allows Be6.

Any Black King move allows Rb8 pinning the Rook to the Knight.

What else can he move?

heallan
blueemu wrote:
heallan wrote:

... if you would like to supply a remark on this topic, then feel free.

My profile picture? It was drawn for me - Blue Emu - by Nick Krain (now working in Hollywood (!) as a Director) back when he and I both worked on the Untalkative Bunny Project (I was series choreographer, he was Posing & Keys).

My remarks on the Fischer - Rosetto game?

Black can't move without losing a piece.

Any Black Rook move allows c7-c8(Q)+ (discovered check by the White Rook).

Any Black Knight move allows Be6.

Any Black King move allows Rb8 pinning the Rook to the Knight.

Well at least we have something in common; my favourite colour is blue!

BlueHen86
heallan wrote:
blueemu wrote:
heallan wrote:

... if you would like to supply a remark on this topic, then feel free.

My profile picture? It was drawn for me - Blue Emu - by Nick Krain (now working in Hollywood (!) as a Director) back when he and I both worked on the Untalkative Bunny Project (I was series choreographer, he was Posing & Keys).

My remarks on the Fischer - Rosetto game?

Black can't move without losing a piece.

Any Black Rook move allows c7-c8(Q)+ (discovered check by the White Rook).

Any Black Knight move allows Be6.

Any Black King move allows Rb8 pinning the Rook to the Knight.

Well at least we have something in common; my favourite colour is blue!

You have two things in common, neither of you can find a draw.