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nighteyes1234
WhatDidIMiss wrote:

For all their 3000+ rating, engines have limitations and weaknesses.  After playing against engines for 16 hours a day for five years, as he says, Lyudmil has learned a lot about those limitations and weaknesses, and has learned how to get positions that engines do not "understand."  He has showed us some examples of this in this thread, and his book on Fischer has many additional examples of engines failing to find the right move.

I have no doubt that with his massive study of engine play, Lyudmil can beat Stockfish.  learned how to beat an engine. 

Ahh...that explains it! He makes a claim that the Caro-Kann is refuted by the Toikanen gambit due to his  engine studies of playing depth 12 Stockfish. I grab depth 35ish results from SF8 and with a few moves(the ones that were altered), low and behold, white isnt winning ever but down 1 pt....and increasing. he then claims he knows better than SF8 but wont continue it.

And you want me to believe you played TCEC level stockfish9? The one that is smashing Houdini?

 

The key question in all of you followers is are you interested in some bridges for sale?

 

 

 

prusswan

I have an invisible bridge to sell to anyone who might be interested. It is TRULY invisible.

ponz111

What is Toikanen Gambit?

nighteyes1234
ponz111 wrote:

What is Toikanen Gambit?

Good question, because he claimed he invented it only to be pointed out later it was hardly new.

And this is why c4 is winning you see. 1 c4 c6 2 e4 d5 and now 3 e5 is a large advantage due to the secret chess pawn structure. This was the revolution. The Caro Kann is refuted. And it died in one move that he interestingly never mentioned from the start.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-secret-of-chess?page=62

And in post #1239 you see secret chess in action. Throw 2 pawns at SF8 to look like you have some attack. It ended because SF8 doesnt move 19..Ra6. And as shown , its not even in the top7, and a .9 deduction vs the top choice of g6. So then Parsons says its a 'weak' computer....which is even more damning. So did we play on with 19...g6? Nope. Like every other exposure, he went silent after saying he knew better than SF8. SF8's -1 eval was actually a large white advantage you see.

 

 

 

 

Christopher_Parsons
nighteyes1234 wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

What is Toikanen Gambit?

Good question, because he claimed he invented it only to be pointed out later it was hardly new.

And this is why c4 is winning you see. 1 c4 c6 2 e4 d5 and now 3 e5 is a large advantage due to the secret chess pawn structure. This was the revolution. The Caro Kann is refuted. And it died in one move that he interestingly never mentioned from the start.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-secret-of-chess?page=62

And in post #1239 you see secret chess in action. Throw 2 pawns at SF8 to look like you have some attack. It ended because SF8 doesnt move 19..Ra6. And as shown , its not even in the top7, and a .9 deduction vs the top choice of g6. So then Parsons says its a 'weak' computer....which is even more damning. So did we play on with 19...g6? Nope. Like every other exposure, he went silent after saying he knew better than SF8. SF8's -1 eval was actually a large white advantage you see.

 

 

 

 

When you set Stockfish 8 or 9 to play 1 or 2 minute games it reduces the strength about 600 points in ELO, but that is still 2700, nothing to sneeze at. Weakened and weak are two totally different things. As for all of the refutation talk, I don't play the Caro-Kann much and when I do, I tend to play it as part of a system that is more or less something to throw my opponent way off. So therefore, I don't know much about it. Lyudmil isn't the only one to talk that way, but I don't mean it as an I think so argument. I would only think so if I did my own research.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/72paph/well_boys_it_looks_like_the_carokann_is_now/

http://kenilworthkibitzer.blogspot.com/2010/11/bust-to-caro-kann.html

https://www.scribd.com/document/82773533/Jeremy-Silman-The-Refutation-of-the-4-Nd7-Caro-Kann-1

 

 

m_n0

The first link is to a subreddit with the description

"There's only one rule at /r/anarchychessand that one rule is that there are no rules!... except... errr. umm.. Use some common sense when posting.

psst...We welcome MEMES!"

 

...and the post itself is an obvious joke.



Christopher_Parsons
m_n0 wrote:

The first link is to a subreddit with the description

"There's only one rule at /r/anarchychessand that one rule is that there are no rules!... except... errr. umm.. Use some common sense when posting.

psst...We welcome MEMES!"

 

...and the post itself is an obvious joke.

 

 

 I thought about that idea, but also Chess.com analysis used to consider playing ...1 c5 an inaccuracy also. I do believe that if you chose to play the Caro-Kann, it is a bit less forgiving in terms of play. You have to essentially play what is best to have a chance against really good play from white. So while there is (was in my mind too) a bit of trolling involved, there is still a bit of truth in every joke. 

drmrboss

 Well. He is just untitled player.  2000 rated untitled players would be a good opponent for him. If he can beat untitled players like me, there are several opponents waiting for him, 2200 NM, 2400 IM etc.

 

He would be no where near those pro level. 

thegreatauk

Well he is a CM so he is a titled player.

drmrboss

I mean  LT is untitled played, not that kid.

thegreatauk

Well I think there is valid proof of that like 50 ages ago or something. There was also certain proof that at his playing peak he was around 2100+ (he posted some proof) so yes he is a strong player. I would like to see him play as well.

drmrboss

2100+ is still untitled rating. I cant find his name in FIDE website. ( may be due to inactive)

SteamGear
thegreatauk wrote:

Well he is a CM so he is a titled player.

FIDE 2200+ is Candidate Master. I don't think Lyudmil ever reached that high.

I believe this is him, unless he'd like to clarify otherwise: (http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=2905850)

thegreatauk

Yes it would be inactive. 2100+ can be untitled but taking into account rating inflation he could have been titled level back when he got the title. Also I his Bulgarian rating was over 2200 not that that necessarily is as good as FIDE rating though. But as said I would like to see him play maybe some correspondence chess on here maybe. I would give him a game.  

ponz111

Regardless of his boasting--it seems his book has valuable material and i would probably buy it.

He made problems for himself on this forum but that does not mean his book is not worth consideration.

cfour_explosive

you REALLY do have a problem with sarcasm lol. just like I told you. happy.png please stop embarrassing yourself...

Christopher_Parsons
h4_explosive wrote:

you REALLY do have a problem with sarcasm lol. just like I told you.  please stop embarrassing yourself...

No embarrassment here. Are the other 2 links I sent sarcasm also? Do you prefer a first move that rates as 1/3 of a pawn down as opposed to one that is a few hundreths of a pawn down instead? Like I said, there is a hint of truth in every joke. I also told you that I was wise to the potential of sarcasm when I saw it, but what I am saying still has merit, whether you see it strictly as a joke only. 

SteamGear
Christopher_Parsons wrote:

I do believe that if you chose to play the Caro-Kann, it is a bit less forgiving in terms of play. You have to essentially play what is best to have a chance against really good play from white.  

Really? I've always thought of the Caro as rather forgiving. You can go into it pretty intuitively, without studying much theory—much like the Scandinavian.

Contrast that with the Pirc or the Sicilian, where black generally needs to know his lines quite well, or he can get blown off the board.

nighteyes1234
Christopher_Parsons wrote:

 I thought about that idea, but also Chess.com analysis used to consider playing ...1 c5 an inaccuracy also. I do believe that if you chose to play the Caro-Kann, it is a bit less forgiving in terms of play. You have to essentially play what is best to have a chance against really good play from white. So while there is (was in my mind too) a bit of trolling involved, there is still a bit of truth in every joke. 

 

OK, so the sales pitch is you can get 10 clown books in one for the price of half of one. Fine, but I have yet to see a clown book that has falsified games in it. If I release a book ,'d4 refuted', and then toss in a game Tal vs Fischer...but instead of Tal that everyone knows, I really put in Tal Toucansam, and then say yeah hes rated 2000(maybe)...only 600-700 points less, still impressive. Oh and Fischer? Thats a guy that was living on the street so we nicknamed him Robert J Fischer.

 

Sure, along comes IM Welling who looks at the game and says "Fischer played FANTASTIC".  But thats up to Welling and his reputation. And then Smeardon looks at it and says 'Fischer' is  crazy, but his style is worth investigating....thats just the reaction you see on social media to any fake news all the time.

Christopher_Parsons
SteamGear wrote:
Christopher_Parsons wrote:

I do believe that if you chose to play the Caro-Kann, it is a bit less forgiving in terms of play. You have to essentially play what is best to have a chance against really good play from white.  

Really? I've always thought of the Caro as rather forgiving. You can go into it pretty intuitively, without studying much theory—much like the Scandinavian.

Contrast that with the Pirc or the Sicilian, where black generally needs to know his lines quite well, or he can get blown off the board.

I was going by what I read...