In speed games it's all about the clock from the beginning. So to win on time in a drawn (or losing) position is part of the strategy.
In untimed games I will play on in a drawn position vs a weaker player and basically wait for them to make a mistake. I may know it's drawn, but I want to see if they know why it's a draw.
i agree with waffllemaster. speed games continuation is appropriate, in an untimed game (or multi day game) it's poor form, but people are weird. i never understood why they'd waste their own time.
To me, I would lump "Chess Ethics" together with "Black Light" or "Military Intelligence."
Oxymorons. Contarictions in Terms.
i agree with waffllemaster. speed games continuation is appropriate, in an untimed game (or multi day game) it's poor form, but people are weird. i never understood why they'd waste their own time.
Hahaha, you know what you have been getting into, so don't complain. It is nothing of your business to guess why your opponent isn't moving in a TB/CC game.
If the game is easy win for you and opponent doesn't want to resign, enjoy that. It is only him who is suffering. If you aren't patient enough, don't play CC.
I was kibitzing a bullet game last night and the NM lost on time to an untitled player in a drawn endgame... the NM's comment after his opponent quickly left was... "What The Fudge was that? No respect!"
Clearly it matters to some.
I was kibitzing a bullet game last night and the NM lost on time to an untitled player in a drawn endgame... the NM's comment after his opponent quickly left was... "What The Fudge was that? No respect!"
Clearly it matters to some.
I don't see where anyone claims it doesn't matter to some. If the NM meant winning on time in a bullet game is disrespectful then he's delusional.
Maybe he meant leaving so quick without saying gg or anything.
Then again, maybe the NM's name was Dangerfield. Then he wouldn't get respect ANY time control!
There's nothing wrong with winning on the clock. Now, if a chess player hits their opponent over the head with a baseball bat, that is unethical 
The other day in live chess I got called a "time weasel" (first time I'd ever heard that expression!) when I won a 1/0 game on the clock with a lost position. For heaven's sake, if you don't want to lose on the clock then don't play bullet chess.
Well... near the top anyway 
I must agree whole heartedly with OP. If a clear and elegant battle was fought and won by a particular side yet the game to do positional compexities is not over but the end clearly won, the loser should withdraw the field. Not hope for some slip or misfortune on the others part resulting a win on time. This is not the game Angry Birds, this is chess. Do not hope for a lucky fall. Know when you are conquered. Would you Quintus? Would I!?
I don't think this is really an ethical or unethical issue, more so a type of chess game issue. I've heard the debate many times that speed/bullet/blitz chess is not "real" chess, but just a free for all on who can win on time and position is completely irrelevant. One person I talked to once says he thinks speed chess actually deteriorates your skills and you can regress because you are not developing and thinking through your positions, but blindly moving in order to not lose time.
Even if you are playing a longer timed game that gets down to only a few minutes left on the clock, I still don't think it's unethical to try to win on time. At this point, the game has changed TO focusing on time regardless of what your position is. Being unethical focuses more on someone being dishonest, underhanded, etc. This situation to me doesn't fall into that category.
In a longer game where the position is absolutely dead, you could get a possible draw from an arbiter. If it is such a game I would usually not opt to win it on time even though there is no arbiter online.
In a fast game I would usually keep playing. Again, if the endgame is dead with a few pieces left, I might shuffle back and forth so the opponent can also pick up a draw by repetition.
The problem is usually when one player has way more time but lost material. That is the nature of speed chess. So usually I'll just keep playing and I might accept a draw in exceptional cases but I'm not going to resign. It is never my problem the opponent used too much time.
Satorichess: I have taught aikido and jujutsu since 1990 and trained my whole life. You have to be able to have calm mind and good center irregardless of your opponent's tactics. Whether they are civil and of good cheer or whether the are bitter, petty, and obviously trying to cheat. The point of playing chess or budo is to be able to face any opponent and keep your head no matter who or what you face.
yesterday a guy called me slow in a chess game, so I responded with "ok but you are rude." He then went to punish me by refusing to move for 10 minutes in a 15 minute game. I sipped coffee and checked email, and enjoyed the time to exist in the game. He then typed "LMAO" and resigned.
There is nothing wrong with enjoying a game even a long hard game that ends in a draw. Because a long bad chess game is still a chess game. And you prove your mental superiority by proving the draw and keeping your center. ;)
"there is no ethics in chess?"
I would say there is no ethics in any sport. I remember reading a survey where 100 Olympic Athletes were questioned, and something like 80% of them confessed that they would take PIDs if it would guarantee them a gold medal without being caught. The lesson is clear...people want to win at any cost.
It happened to me (but I'm sure also to you) on few online endgames almost certainly draws, the opponent did not accept the invitation and continued to play focusing on the psychology factor / time/ or nerve to overcome me. Obviously it's part of the game and anyone is legitimate to do this but I think it denotes great pettiness and poor sportsmanship from these players.
It 'a shame to spoil those games that were beautiful and hard-fought with such childish attitudes. I do not think it will prove you are the best chess players in this way.
It's not just a matter of winning a game or two, it' how you win that it's also very important.
In chess, sports and also between ancient time warriors ethics and respect were and are part of the greatness of a player, or an athlete, something that many of today Internet alleged chess players would do well not to forget. What do you think?
Squeezing a win out of theoretically drawn endgame is the most desirable way to win for me. If I manage to do it time after time it definitely proves that I am a better chess player. I don't quite understand what you are talking about.
For me ethics in chess is limited to this:
As far as I know 1), 3) and 4) are enforced by rules in official OTB games.
All the rest (including when to resign or when to accept draw offer) has nothing to do with ethics.
If these games mean so little to you. Then why do you care?
Typically at bullet chess I either win by a checkmate, or I lose on time. Often, when losing on time, I have the better position. I almost never win on time.
In other words, I really, really suck at bullet.
But it is silly to complain for the following reason: your opponent always has the argument "well, maybe if you had moved quicker, like me, your position wouldn't be so good."
And in my case its true. If I moved at the pace neccesary to win on time, I would be dropping pieces like a drunken monkey.
It happened to me (but I'm sure also to you) on few online endgames almost certainly draws, the opponent did not accept the invitation and continued to play focusing on the psychology factor / time/ or nerve to overcome me. Obviously it's part of the game and anyone is legitimate to do this but I think it denotes great pettiness and poor sportsmanship from these players.
It 'a shame to spoil those games that were beautiful and hard-fought with such childish attitudes. I do not think it will prove you are the best chess players in this way.
It's not just a matter of winning a game or two, it' how you win that it's also very important.
In chess, sports and also between ancient time warriors ethics and respect were and are part of the greatness of a player, or an athlete, something that many of today Internet alleged chess players would do well not to forget. What do you think?