There should be a symbol for "resigns"!

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trigs wrote:

yeah i'm surprised that they don't have a symbol. but it would have to be something that represents both colors separately or two different symbols (one for black resigning and one for white resigning so you'd know which side resigned).

i kind of like the $ idea (just as arbitrary as the #). but you'd probably need $w for white and $b for black or something similar.

I don't think # is arbitrary at all actually - it represents the 9x9 grid around the enemy king that must be "filled in" in order to win.  It also kinda makes sense that # is two superimposed + signs, and so + should be the symbol for check tongue.png

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Hi All,

I have just annotated a game I played with the guy I live with. I have never done it before so I had to learn PGN on the fly. It was the perfect game for it because I castled King side, he castled Queen side, I 'Queened' a pawn, and the game ended when he resigned after move 49 (I was Black). I wanted to know how to indicate resignation and that's how I ended up here; just as bemused as everybody else!

;-)

I discovered that the people who are saying you can write "White Resigns" are not strictly correct, because I tried that and some PGN editors won't accept it. As such, a better thing to do is include a Comment on how the game ended instead. PGN Comments can be written as a string of text after a semicolon (i.e. ';') - with the comment finishing at the end of the line - or inside curly brackets (i.e. '{}'). So the end of our game now looks like this:

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 {White Resigns}

You'll notice that if you load an ending like that into the analysis engine here on Chess.com, although it will accept "White Resigns" at the end, it will not display it. That obviously isn't too big a deal, but some other online editors go a bit nuts and insist that there was a move '50' - namely "White Resigns" - which is clearly unacceptable. However if you write {White Resigns}, every editor I have checked so far will accept it, so clearly that is the best solution; just in case you ever want to load a game somewhere else. It also means that you can pretty much write whatever you want; e.g. {Black Resigned after thinking things over for 13 minutes}, or whatever.

I hope that helps...

Phil

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In tournament games I have come to simply write "resigns" as the final move if the game ends by resignation.  Bump, as I'm very interested in the future of this thread happy.png

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0-1 or 0-1 T

1-0 or 1-0 T

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How about just r? Or (R) also works.

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How about:

Resign - 0-1 * or 1-0 *

Time - 0-1 % or 1-0 %

 

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Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

The problem with 1-0 and 0-1 is that you never know what happened. It may be a loss on time, cell telephone forfeit, disqualification, resignation, etc.


I agree.
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Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

The problem with 1-0 and 0-1 is that you never know what happened. It may be a loss on time, cell telephone forfeit, disqualification, resignation, etc.

I agree.  I like to know if it was resignation or something else.

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Hi All,

Perhaps my last post was a bit long, so I'll repeat just the important bit...

While you can write "resigns", or 0-1 T, or (R), or 1-0 *, or 1-0 %, and it might work here on Chess.com, it will not work in some other editors, so the best option is to use a comment. You can do that by using a semicolon, or enclosing what you want to write in curly brackets.

For example:

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 {White Resigns}

...or...

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 ; White Resigns

... will both work, but none of the following - all of which have been suggested above - will work...

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 "resigns"

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 resigns

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 T

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 (R)

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 *

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 %

Hope that helps...

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FillsHerTease wrote:

Hi All,

Perhaps my last post was a bit long, so I'll repeat just the important bit...

While you can write "resigns", or 0-1 T, or (R), or 1-0 *, or 1-0 %, and it might work here on Chess.com, it will not work in some other editors, so the best option is to use a comment. You can do that by using a semicolon, or enclosing what you want to write in curly brackets.

For example:

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 {White Resigns}

...or...

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 ; White Resigns

... will both work, but none of the following - all of which have been suggested above - will work...

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 "resigns"

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 resigns

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 T

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 (R)

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 *

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 %

Hope that helps...

I think a better way is

49. b4 h1+Q+ 0-1 AWWWW YEAH!!! My opponent just couldn't  take it anymore!

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goldenwriter wrote:
goldenwriter wrote:
ninevah wrote:
Niven42 wrote:

I know what you mean, but I think the official ones are "1-0" (black resigns) and "0-1" (white resigns).


Correct :)

yeah, saw that

how 'bout white resigns 1-0

 

Crikey this is hard!

No - "1-0" (black resigns) and "0-1" (white resigns) - are NOT the official ones, there are NO official ways to do it, and if you use that method it will NOT work in some editors. I repeat, for the second time, the only way to do it that is guaranteed to work is to use a comment, i.e. either:

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 {White Resigns}

...or...

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 ; White Resigns

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Say "0-1 {White Resigns} is redundant!

 

0-1 means White resigns

1-0 means Black resigns

 

We have a symbol for it already!

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ThrillerFan wrote:

Say "0-1 {White Resigns} is redundant!

 

0-1 means White resigns

1-0 means Black resigns

 

We have a symbol for it already!

And the hits just keep on coming! You know ... it's very difficult to help people on this site...

:-P

I think you need to go back and read through the whole thread. If you only say 0-1 or 1-0 then how do you know if one side resigned, or if the game ended because time ran out?

You don't!

However even if my suggestion was redundant - which is isn't - then people still wanted to know, and I was simply responding to various suggestions and queries by pointing out that I wanted to know how to do it too - which is how I ended up here - and that in my quest I discovered that some PGN editors won't allow you to enter non PGN symbols or text.

As such I have explained, several times now, in quite a lot of detail, that the best way you can do it is with a comment, which you can do in PGN with either curly brackets or a semicolon. This is also good to know because you can enter comments anywhere in the game. An example being a game I was playing the other day with a friend of mine, who made a really, REALLY stupid move which gave me his Queen for free. He did it because he was very stoned, and since I don't get high myself, I let him take the move back, because I would rather play him in his best frame of mind - and lose - than win because he played a stupid move while he was wasted. You know? Especially when considering how difficult and close the game had been up until then. That being the case, my new found knowledge enabled me to write:

24. Ne6 Kf7 {Black initially played Nd4 but White allowed a take-back to keep the game interesting}

So ... knowing how to write comments is useful for showing that the game was Resigned, or Lost on Time, that one player was very wasted, or whatever it is you might want to say, such as:

{Move delayed whilst writing yet another comment in the thread concerning how to indicate Resignation in PGN)

;-D

Merry Christmas Everyone!

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macer75 wrote:
FillsHerTease wrote:

Hi All,

Perhaps my last post was a bit long, so I'll repeat just the important bit...

While you can write "resigns", or 0-1 T, or (R), or 1-0 *, or 1-0 %, and it might work here on Chess.com, it will not work in some other editors, so the best option is to use a comment. You can do that by using a semicolon, or enclosing what you want to write in curly brackets.

For example:

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 {White Resigns}

...or...

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 ; White Resigns

... will both work, but none of the following - all of which have been suggested above - will work...

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 "resigns"

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 resigns

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 T

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 (R)

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 *

49. b4 h1=Q+ 0-1 %

Hope that helps...

I think a better way is

49. b4 h1+Q+ 0-1 AWWWW YEAH!!! My opponent just couldn't  take it anymore!

I agree! That IS much better! However it will crash some PGN editors unless you write it as a comment as follows:

49. b4 h1+Q+ 0-1 ;AWWWW YEAH!!! My opponent just couldn't  take it anymore!

...or...

49. b4 h1+Q+ 0-1 {AWWWW YEAH!!! My opponent just couldn't  take it anymore!}

In one of my recent games I have the comment:

20. Bf7+ Kd8 {Matt resigned afte Bf7+ because he was really stone, but Phil talked him out of it!}

;-D

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FillsHerTease wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

Say "0-1 {White Resigns} is redundant!

 

0-1 means White resigns

1-0 means Black resigns

 

We have a symbol for it already!

And the hits just keep on coming! You know ... it's very difficult to help people on this site...

:-P

I think you need to go back and read through the whole thread. If you only say 0-1 or 1-0 then how do you know if one side resigned, or if the game ended because time ran out?

You don't!

However even if my suggestion was redundant - which is isn't - then people still wanted to know, and I was simply responding to various suggestions and queries by pointing out that I wanted to know how to do it too - which is how I ended up here - and that in my quest I discovered that some PGN editors won't allow you to enter non PGN symbols or text.

As such I have explained, several times now, in quite a lot of detail, that the best way you can do it is with a comment, which you can do in PGN with either curly brackets or a semicolon. This is also good to know because you can enter comments anywhere in the game. An example being a game I was playing the other day with a friend of mine, who made a really, REALLY stupid move which gave me his Queen for free. He did it because he was very stoned, and since I don't get high myself, I let him take the move back, because I would rather play him in his best frame of mind - and lose - than win because he played a stupid move while he was wasted. You know? Especially when considering how difficult and close the game had been up until then. That being the case, my new found knowledge enabled me to write:

24. Ne6 Kf7 {Black initially played Nd4 but White allowed a take-back to keep the game interesting}

So ... knowing how to write comments is useful for showing that the game was Resigned, or Lost on Time, that one player was very wasted, or whatever it is you might want to say, such as:

{Move delayed whilst writing yet another comment in the thread concerning how to indicate Resignation in PGN)

;-D

Merry Christmas Everyone!

 

Actually, you do.  Typically, you see one of 3 things on scores sheets.  IF the last move before the 1-0 or 0-1 has a hash symbol, #, it was mate.  1-0 (Time) or 0-1 (Time) is a loss on time.  No # and no (Time), resignation is assumed.

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1-0 is not a symbol for Black resigns.  That just means black lost.  That also stands for flagging and checkmating.

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Exactly. A symbol for resigns is a good idea, everybody. In boxing, you have standard ways to show exactly how a bout ended. Why not in chess? To me, 0-1 means black won. Nothing more.

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My recommendations:  1-0 (R) for resigns, 0-1 (T) for time, 1-0 (F) for forfeiture, 1/2-1/2 (A) for agreement, 1/2-1/2 (R) for repetition, 1/2-1/2 (P) for perpetual, 1/2-1/2 (S) for stalemate, 1/2-1/2 (50) for 50-move rule and 1/2-1/2 (IM) for insufficient material.