There are plenty of times in games in which I make a blunder and resign right after. My thought process usually is, I'm not getting as much out of continuing the game from a losing position as I would by studying the position I went wrong in. It's really a matter of efficiency rather than some kind of "respect" I have for the opponent.
This is getting ridiculous
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Mar 15, 2011
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N2UHC wrote:
echecs06 wrote:
But that is COMPLETELY different. The issue here is: what to do with jerks who refuse to resign because they are p...off and waste your time. What is YOUR solution?
Keep playing until you checkmate them? I play correspondence chess here so don't really care if a game sits on the back burner waiting for my opponent to move in a lost position. If someone is complaining about their opponent stalling in live chess, then play shorter time controls. If you can't devote 20 minutes to a game, then choose 5 minutes per side. If you can't devote 10 minutes to a game, then forget chess and take up tiddlywinks. I never hear people complaining because an evenly-matched game runs the full 20 minutes, but it seems like if they're winning then continuing the game is a waste of their time. While the game may be for all intents & purposes won, it's not won until checkmate or resignation, so keep on playing.
To use the football analogy, when someone stalls in a losing position, it's like a football team running the clock down. Only in football, it's the winning team that does that. Anyone stalling for time when losing is being rude, but it's still their loss.
Actually, that's a great football analogy. Let's say that in a game of football, I'm up 30-3 with 1:00 to play. The game is over for all intents and purposes, so I'm just running the ball up the middle into your DLine for a gain of a yard or two. Are you really telling me you're going to call timeouts as soon as the play ends, rather than just let the clock run down? Of course not; 38 seconds will come off the clock, I'll run it again, and the last 22 seconds will come off - game over. You insisting to play on in chess until checkmate would be the equivalent of using your 3 TOs so that I punt to you with 0:53 left, and then throwing 3 straight Hail Marys, even though you're down 27 with less than a minute to play.
But in Football, the clock always runs to zero.
Anaolgies that invoke other sports are doomed to break down. Chess is unique, and the discussion should focus on the established conventions and etiquette that are relevant to chess.
What football players, or snooker players, or those who play pick-up-sticks do isn't really relevant to the discussion.
Mar 15, 2011
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#106
The clock runs to zero, yes, but in games that are over for all intents and purposes (27-point spread with less than a minute, say), the losing team could in theory continue to burn timeouts to get a chance to put up points. But they realize that the game is over, and so both teams just let the clock run down. In that sense, it's like a resignation.
Mar 15, 2011
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#107
i'm really getting tired of the people really getting tired with the "my opponent won't resign threads"
go!
SensFan33 wrote:
N2UHC wrote:
echecs06 wrote:
But that is COMPLETELY different. The issue here is: what to do with jerks who refuse to resign because they are p...off and waste your time. What is YOUR solution?
Keep playing until you checkmate them? I play correspondence chess here so don't really care if a game sits on the back burner waiting for my opponent to move in a lost position. If someone is complaining about their opponent stalling in live chess, then play shorter time controls. If you can't devote 20 minutes to a game, then choose 5 minutes per side. If you can't devote 10 minutes to a game, then forget chess and take up tiddlywinks. I never hear people complaining because an evenly-matched game runs the full 20 minutes, but it seems like if they're winning then continuing the game is a waste of their time. While the game may be for all intents & purposes won, it's not won until checkmate or resignation, so keep on playing.
To use the football analogy, when someone stalls in a losing position, it's like a football team running the clock down. Only in football, it's the winning team that does that. Anyone stalling for time when losing is being rude, but it's still their loss.
Actually, that's a great football analogy. Let's say that in a game of football, I'm up 30-3 with 1:00 to play. The game is over for all intents and purposes, so I'm just running the ball up the middle into your DLine for a gain of a yard or two. Are you really telling me you're going to call timeouts as soon as the play ends, rather than just let the clock run down? Of course not; 38 seconds will come off the clock, I'll run it again, and the last 22 seconds will come off - game over. You insisting to play on in chess until checkmate would be the equivalent of using your 3 TOs so that I punt to you with 0:53 left, and then throwing 3 straight Hail Marys, even though you're down 27 with less than a minute to play.
The other flaw with this analogy is that down 3-0 in football does not affect your ability to play football. Chess a queen down does affect your ablility to play.
ilikeflags wrote:
i'm really getting tired of the people really getting tired with the "my opponent won't resign threads"
go!
Fischer! I mean Fisher! I mean Garry Kasparov! I mean Gary Kasparov! I mean, the knight! No, wait, the bishop!
Well, flagsie, you're a genious, and none of us kids likes you.
Fischer!!!!!!!
Abuse report filed: ticket #flagsyisanID10T.
Mr. Flynn, you will not be in for much longer!
Mar 15, 2011
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#114
Hmmm.. I think the time that the soothing calming effect of waffles in this thread... has come...:)
Mar 15, 2011
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#116
robserantlyishnesspro eating waffles last summer at the boulder waffle festival
Mar 15, 2011
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#117
ilikeflags wrote:
robserantlyishnesspro eating waffles last summer at the boulder waffle festival
Ya see?... I dont know about you guys.... but I feel mutch better.
Flags..LOL...
Mar 15, 2011
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#119
ilikeflags wrote:
this might be what robservehimallyourdayspro means by sht:
whoa!?... what the heck IS that?.... a thick crust potatoe sausage...... pizza?
Nytik wrote:
Salaskan wrote:
If any of these people behaved the same way in a club, no one would want to play against them, but they can just get away with it on the internet.
You're joking right? I know a lot of people who will play right up until mate is due. Nobody avoids playing them. In fact, I myself have played on awhile in some situations which were objectively completely lost. If someone thinks I might slip up and give them back the game, then fair play to them.
omggggggggggg Nytik where were you!!!! <3 I missed you =P Did you go inactive or did I just not read into posts that you trodded off to?
But that is COMPLETELY different. The issue here is: what to do with jerks who refuse to resign because they are p...off and waste your time. What is YOUR solution?
Keep playing until you checkmate them? I play correspondence chess here so don't really care if a game sits on the back burner waiting for my opponent to move in a lost position. If someone is complaining about their opponent stalling in live chess, then play shorter time controls. If you can't devote 20 minutes to a game, then choose 5 minutes per side. If you can't devote 10 minutes to a game, then forget chess and take up tiddlywinks. I never hear people complaining because an evenly-matched game runs the full 20 minutes, but it seems like if they're winning then continuing the game is a waste of their time. While the game may be for all intents & purposes won, it's not won until checkmate or resignation, so keep on playing.
To use the football analogy, when someone stalls in a losing position, it's like a football team running the clock down. Only in football, it's the winning team that does that. Anyone stalling for time when losing is being rude, but it's still their loss.