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electricpawn
electricpawn
Apr 22, 2011
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#21
shoop2 wrote:

Fezzik:  Do you want to ban legitimate uses of extended vacation time as well?  I've been on the wrong side of vacation abuse many times, but I've also been out of the country for 2+ weeks and having the option to pause my games on this site was invaluable.

I travel, although not as extensively as shoop2. I like the vacation option as it is, and I don't begruge others who use it.

TheBlueBishop
TheBlueBishop
Apr 22, 2011
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#22
El_Senior wrote:

If some people want the option to play without vacations, that option is already available. It's called live chess. You can finish your game in minutes, not months or years. 

When you play "correspondence chess" or the internet version of same, it is NORMAL for people to take time off for work, vacation, or whatever obligation. You cannot expect someone to be at their computer day and night, for weeks or months at a time. You're not being reasonable. 

You accept (or issue) a challenge for a particular time control, you know that each player (not just you) is entitled to take vacation. Read the rules. If you can't stand to wait several days for each move, you could take on more games or better yet try live chess. Perhaps correspondence chess time controls are not for you.

Some people have a life outside of chess. Sorry if you don't.

Ah, Senior - I see you're back with all your snide comments and fear intact.  Don't ever lose it man, it's you.

Papa-E
Papa-E
Apr 23, 2011
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#23

Solution: play live...

TheBlueBishop
TheBlueBishop
Apr 23, 2011
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#24
Again, no one is advocating that vacations be eliminated for those who want to use this device, but what some of us would like to see is the ability to issue no vacation challenges which others could decline or accept.
electricpawn
electricpawn
Apr 23, 2011
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#25
LordNazgul wrote:

With laptops today, I would think that dedicated correspondence players could make moves once in three days even when on vacation.

 I can tell you that when you're travelling for work it is often impossible to find the time and/or energy to make a quality move.

Ziryab
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Apr 23, 2011
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#26

When I played correspondence chess, I could spend the weekend on a fishing trip without any worries that I would lose a game on time. With correspondence-style online chess, I need vacations to pursue trout.

The OP offers a cogent and well reasoned beginning. It is not CC. Even so, CC traditions apply and the slightly inaccurate label remains useful shorthand when newbies who object to databases must be educated regarding the traditions and appeal of correspondence chess and its successors.

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d4e4
Apr 23, 2011
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Ziryab
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Apr 23, 2011
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#28
ChessStrategist wrote:

I'm certainly not a newbie, yet I will never respect anyone who uses a database engine to play chess.

Will you ever get the terms right? Any time you want to play without databases, I'll be happy to give you a lesson. I don't use engines although I derive great pleasure and instruction from working with databases during games in progress.

TheBlueBishop
TheBlueBishop
Apr 23, 2011
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Ziryab wrote:

When I played correspondence chess, I could spend the weekend on a fishing trip without any worries that I would lose a game on time. With correspondence-style online chess, I need vacations to pursue trout.

The OP offers a cogent and well reasoned beginning. It is not CC. Even so, CC traditions apply and the slightly inaccurate label remains useful shorthand when newbies who object to databases must be educated regarding the traditions and appeal of correspondence chess and its successors.

I appreciate hearing from a voice of experience with this site, to which I am a newcomer, and with chess generally.  As a newcomer I know that I must understand the traditions of the activity.  What I think may be happening, though, and it's occurred in other groups/activities in which I've been involved, is that as more members join they bring with them or create slightly different expectations and goals without meaning or wanting to override what came before.  Things evolve or generally die out.  Those of us who, as a personal choice, wish to avoid games where the opponent might take a mid-game "vacation" for a month or more still want the experience of an unhurried game. This is why the "solution" of live chess which is always offered is not a solution. A vacationless one move per day limit, for example and as one among many options which players could freely choose, isn't exactly speed chess.  We can all get along on this site. 

Ziryab
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Apr 23, 2011
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#30

I like options when games are set up. I believe there are vacation-less tournaments going on this site even though I cannot participate in them. Fishing is too important. Moreover, when I play OTB tournaments I need vacation time too because I lack the time and energy to give my turn-based games the attention they require.

d4e4
d4e4
Apr 23, 2011
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artfizz
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Apr 23, 2011
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#32
Ziryab wrote:

I like options when games are set up. I believe there are vacation-less tournaments going on this site even though I cannot participate in them. Fishing is too important. Moreover, when I play OTB tournaments I need vacation time too because I lack the time and energy to give my turn-based games the attention they require.

When there are many options, it becomes bewildering to choose the right set.

Tournaments, for instance, have nearly 20 options (each with several alternatives). In the absence of a Tournament Selection Wizard, I find it laborious to locate a tournament that meets all of my criteria.

Turn-based chess games currently have about 6 options.

MathBandit
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Apr 23, 2011
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#33
ChessStrategist wrote:

I'm certainly not a newbie, yet I will never respect anyone who uses a database engine to play chess.

Glad to see you have no respect for Capablanca, Tal, Kasparov, Lasker, etc...

artfizz
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Apr 23, 2011
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#34
Fezzik wrote:

I don't have the book at hand, but Petrosian, in Petrosian's Legacy, suggested going through ~50 games in a specific opening to learn that opening. Keres recommended using correspondence chess to learn how to play the openings. Every major correspondence player for the last 50 years uses books and databases. And yet we still get 1200 rated players screaming it isn't fair.  

Nothing I can say will change the minds of these fish.

"Give a fish advice and you'll annoy him for a day.

Teach a fish about DBs and he'll hate you for life."

furtiveking
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Apr 23, 2011
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#35
Fezzik wrote:

I would ban the use of extended vacation time in most tournaments and matches, but not as an absolute rule. 

The problem with allowing players to "quit" games without penalty is that many of the games are part of matches or tournaments where the results matter. 

When does this happen? Players can't "quit" without penalty, unless the game is less than one complete move old. But NEVER can they quit without penalty in a team game or a tournament.

furtiveking
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Apr 23, 2011
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#36
ChessStrategist wrote:

I'm certainly not a newbie, yet I will never respect anyone who uses a database engine to play chess.

Are you referring to databases or engines? They are not the same thing. If you are referring to databases, would you have said the same thing about a correspondance player using books or magazines to help them in an opening 20 years ago? I ask because using such aids was very common back then, and using a database is very much the same thing today.

furtiveking
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Apr 23, 2011
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Fezzik wrote:
furtiveking wrote:
Fezzik wrote:

I would ban the use of extended vacation time in most tournaments and matches, but not as an absolute rule. 

The problem with allowing players to "quit" games without penalty is that many of the games are part of matches or tournaments where the results matter. 

When does this happen? Players can't "quit" without penalty, unless the game is less than one complete move old. But NEVER can they quit without penalty in a team game or a tournament.

Furtiveking, I was responding to a suggestion made in the post directly above mine. Please read that post and you will see what I was talking about.

Sorry, I thought I had read all of the thread, but I missed that one... in this case, I completly agree with you.

d4e4
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Apr 23, 2011
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PrawnEatsPrawn
PrawnEatsPrawn
Apr 23, 2011
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#39
Fezzik wrote:
ChessStrategist wrote:

fizzywig: >>Every major correspondence player for the last 50 years uses books and databases. And yet we still get 1200 rated players screaming it isn't fair.  

Nothing I can say will change the minds of these fish.<<

First off you assume too much. Just because chess.com assigns a default rating of 1200, that doesn't mean a thing. Secondly, just because some here have a 2,000+ rating, that doesn't mean a thing, either.

"Screaming"? "Fish"? You want to draw blood? Easy to do when you don't have to be within arm's reach.

All I can say is all you guys who can't play a game of chess without some kind of aid...well...you are simply all a bunch of weenies.

And...I really...really mean it. So...take that!!!

Challenge sent.

 

Wasting your time, he's all mouth and no trousers.

mrguy888
mrguy888
Apr 23, 2011
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#40
ChessStrategist wrote:

All I can say is all you guys who can't play a game of chess without some kind of aid...well...you are simply all a bunch of weenies.

And...I really...really mean it. So...take that!!!

Why do you care so much? You have not played a single game here so it doesn't affect you at all. If you did you would realize it isn't as big of a deal as you seem to think it is.