"Helpmates" don't count.
Timeout vs. Insufficient Material
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Apr 8, 2020
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Okay, so what makes it count as a helpmate? Is it just declared drawn if I am left with only a knight or bishop?
Apr 8, 2020
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#5
Black king can be mated on a8 but they probably don’t want to be unfair
yabbadabbadooooooo wrote:
I recently played a bullet game where my opponent timed out. The result was declared a draw, timeout vs. insufficient material. However, I did not have insufficient material to mate. I can prove it with the diagram below, which starts in the position where my opponent (white) timed out and ends with a checkmate by black.
Can anyone clarify the insufficient material rules for me?
It would have been a win for you under the FIDE rules, but this site does not follow the FIDE rules. I believe it follows more of the USCF rules (which I am not sure of, since I do not live in America).
Apr 9, 2020
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#9
eric0022 wrote:
yabbadabbadooooooo wrote:
I recently played a bullet game where my opponent timed out. The result was declared a draw, timeout vs. insufficient material. However, I did not have insufficient material to mate. I can prove it with the diagram below, which starts in the position where my opponent (white) timed out and ends with a checkmate by black.
Can anyone clarify the insufficient material rules for me?
It would have been a win for you under the FIDE rules, but this site does not follow the FIDE rules. I believe it follows more of the USCF rules (which I am not sure of, since I do not live in America).
Interesting... I thought chess.com used FIDE rules. Doesn't chess.com have something to do with FIDE?
Apr 9, 2020
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#12
yabbadabbadooooooo wrote:
Sred wrote:
RTFM
Thanks, very helpful.
Always glad to help. While RTFM usually is good advice, I have to admit that it's somehow difficult to find the FM in this particular case: https://support.chess.com/article/128-what-does-insufficient-mating-material-mean
Apr 9, 2020
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#13
yabbadabbadooooooo wrote:
eric0022 wrote:
yabbadabbadooooooo wrote:
I recently played a bullet game where my opponent timed out. The result was declared a draw, timeout vs. insufficient material. However, I did not have insufficient material to mate. I can prove it with the diagram below, which starts in the position where my opponent (white) timed out and ends with a checkmate by black.
Can anyone clarify the insufficient material rules for me?
It would have been a win for you under the FIDE rules, but this site does not follow the FIDE rules. I believe it follows more of the USCF rules (which I am not sure of, since I do not live in America).
Interesting... I thought chess.com used FIDE rules. Doesn't chess.com have something to do with FIDE?
No, chess.com doesn't have anything to do with FIDE, other than sponsoring some events.
To answer your earlier question on help mates, it basically is a mate where you opponent makes all the worst moves to allow you to mate. It is essentially the idea of FIDE's implementation of "mate by any series of legal moves."
Can anyone clarify the insufficient material rules for me?