To fiachonti...or not to fiachonti?

FGMkyrollous

Hello.....

I have been using the "Magnus trainer" app for android...

I came across the lesson about the importance to fiachonti the bishop.....

 in the app, it's recommended to fiachonti at least the kingside bishop ( doing that with both bishops is great,though)....as the king's safety is alot greater with B on g2 and N on f3.....although the g pawn has been moved....

Which brings us to another problem: if I trade away the bishop and knight (I usually do that) I end up with a moved g pawn and a weaker king defence....so what exactly should I do?? Fiachonti or just castle in the ordinary fashion?

Note : i have also noticed that Magnus Carlsen himself....in many of his in-app recorded games....he almost always castled in normal fashion...no fiachonti......while he himself...who is supposed to have supervised the app content, states that fiachonting leads to better positions...

So..... can someone explain to me what should I do.....fiachonti or not?..

Thank for your time...

notmtwain

Fianchetto

FGMkyrollous

Oh...I know that...

But why does Magnus never really fiachonti at all?...it doesn't make sense.....

And I am usually forced to trade bishop and knight...leaving very weak king....

I just want a detailed explanation for why should I fiachonti with all these drawbacks?? 

FGMkyrollous

Or...to be exact....how can I avoid these drawbacks?...

The g pawn movement is inevitable...

But how can I prevent the bishop and knight trade?

Pulpofeira

Double fiachonti as white usually doesn't end well.

FGMkyrollous

I agree...that was the reason I lost many matches...(I just understood that yesterday😑😑😑..if I play Nc3...then it is just pinned there for half the match....protecting the bishop behind it us a pure nuisance...)

However, what about kingside bishop fiachonti??....alone??

Is there any expert who can just explain fiachonti results fully?? 

I am done with losing matches due to simply following that rule!..,there must be something I am missing...

Oh....and what about double fiachonti as black? Isn't it the same as with white?

Pulpofeira

I stand corrected, I meant usually is not good as black. Yermolinsky wrote an article about the topic.

zembrianator

Fiachonti

BeastBoy06

Lol fiachonti

MadLuc

I don't think it is a matter of a blanket statement on whether yes or no to Fianchetto. It comes down to experience, expertise, the opening and knowing how and when to use it. As a 1300 rapid player, I am sure if I played someone 1800+ and they Fianchetto, they would win 10 out of 10, and if it were me who Fianchetto, they would stil win 10 out of 10.

DamonevicSmithlov

Welp, to fianchonti or not depends on the position. Fianchonti-ing (that's hard to say, I tried it) is only weakening IF ur opponent can make use of the "weak" squares. But u dont have to fianchonti. As with most things, the fianchonti has good & bad points depending on so many variables.

 

FGMkyrollous

Well....thanks...I will try to look up fiachonti weaknesses...then....

I thought there were simple rules for that...not so many variables...

Well...thanks everyone!

FGMkyrollous

The 7 day old chess player is advising a year old one....nice.....

Thanks,however....

Your opinion is equivalent to Magnus practically....but not theoretically....

More studies are required on that topic..i guess...

FGMkyrollous

We will put that to the test (I already said that I underestimated you last time...so I didn't care to take it seriously...however if you beat me again....then I will really have no excuse. .but I won't allow that to happen in the first place...)

Caesar49bc

You have to either know the line your going to Fianchetto a bishop  or recognize when it's adventageous to do so. 

There are a lot of attacks and strategy that take advantage of a Fianchettoed bishop, so you need to be comfortable playing against those. 

But it's much less an issue if you see that your opponent miss played something and fianchettoing your bishop is very strong.

Once you move pawns in front of your king, the position is at least slightltly weaker. Of course if you don't move the pawns, eventually your opponent will decide to back-rank-mate you... so you need to keep an eye on that.

Occassionally had the opportunity to weaponize that... allow an opponent to try and back-rank-mate before giving my king an escape square... then pounce on my opponent after his major pieces were tied up trying to back-rank-mate me. It's not something you can plan for in advance, it's strictly an opportunistic thing, and uncommon if not rare.

FGMkyrollous

Alright...I get it....fiachonti is dangerous in face of players who know how to use it....

 

zembrianator

ocus leë fiach on ti dar bo indilsech

FGMkyrollous

English..please...

Mako_Cat
OH MY GOSH!!! CAN EVERYONE STOP SAYING FIANCHONTI. ITS FIANCHETTO.
shivam2627

yes, i was watching this WEIRDNESS!