True or False Chess is a Draw with Best Play from Both Sides

yeah, definitely a bit below the belt, Lola

There's nothing that I can see that is untrue or unkind in what I said.  There's nothing even directed at Tuna.  Maybe read it while imagining the voice of Yasser Seirawan in his most observational tone of voice.

btickler  There are probably several ways to determine if a move is a mistake or not. ? 

There has not been one game posted that I know of [out of trillions of games] Where one side won and no one could point out a mistake made by the losing side? 

[except the game I played Black vs a GM which was a bit of humor as probably 99% of all chess players could not find the mistake made by the GM]

PATRIOT   HA HA  YOU WERE WONDERING IF I THINK CHESS IS A DRAW??

One problem with Nikki as he was thinking people who looked at all the evidence and believe chess is a draw are dumb. By his reasoning just about all grand masters are dumb.

And you are incorrect there are many chess players who know chess is a draw--I am one of them,

But then again it might not.

On move 36 from the following set up position White loses material, Black is not close to being checkmated and the material is not close to being regained. The same applies on move 46. Nevertheless White has not made a mistake at those points because he is playing moves from the Lomonosov EGTBs which play perfectly.

He would clearly have lost material in nominal terms prior to reaching the position in a game, which may or may not have been a mistake at that time, but who can say?

Incidentally the top players have known for centuries (in @ponz111's and @Optimissed's sense of the verb "to know") that positions with the above material  are generally drawn, and in recorded games this is usually the result.

The Nalimov tablebase which "knows" in a sense more germane to the question gives the endgame as 94% won for Black with Black to play and 57% won for Black with White to play. (The discrepancy is that the stats include more trivially drawn positions with White to play than Black. These positions would normally be ignored by chess players, in which case 99% of the remaining positions with either side to play would be Black wins.) 

Nikki   Strong players are not as dumb as you think they are. 

If you think all the pages are trolling why do you keep posting?

White to move. No one lost more material than the other, but Black surely erred at some point.

As has been said many times before, you dont know it, you believe it. Nothing wrong with that. Beliefs and faith can be very powerful. 

Why do you say that? Isn't it possible that black made no errors of any kind and whites advantage resulted in this position? Or is that scenario somehow impossible.

i just realized 182 pgs and i wasa like HOLY MOLY

Untrue. Perfect play as white leaves player black a move behind. Even if white accepts or trades every piece on the board they'd theoretically be 1 piece up and that's winnable on time or promotion.

PATRIOT  Ziryab is correct.  

Also you should not try and tell me what I know or don't know. Speak for yourself but not for me? 

Because you do not know something does not mean I do not know that thing.

You re quite incorrect--I do not believe things on "faith" For you to say that is an insult probably based on ignorance.? 

Raptus  please explain your chess theory how White can trade every piece on the board and then be up a piece?

Also please explain your chess theory how White might promote a remaining piece?

White goes first, white even a king pawn game is a move ahead if everything is played to position.

I'm speaking for you because you often say things that are a bit off center. When you say you "know" what you mean is you believe. You don't know. If you did, you would prove it. You wont, because you cant. That only leaves one option, faith. You BELIEVE. Don't be insulted, because it's not an insult, it's just reality. 

If you feel like I'm wrong, prove me wrong. Go ahead and prove chess is a draw, according to what you "know". 

So I'll ask you, is it IMPOSSIBLE that the position Ziryab posted be achieved only through black playing imperfectly? If it is, prove it. Prove it's impossible. 

Only if you start with the assumption that chess is a draw (or a win for Black).

Btw can you think of any position of the kind you show (i.e. symmetrical across the crease) where it's demonstrable that the second player wins?

Any play by White leaves Black a move behind. (FIDE art. 1.2, The player with the light-coloured pieces (White) makes the first move, then the players move alternately, with the player with the dark-coloured pieces (Black) making the next move.)

Every white open has a symmetrical counter which is where hit Carlsen v Hikaru as an example. Time + preset fortressing your king/pawns sshould win as K+Q CM isn't to hard Stall & push the board/clock.