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slow_enough wrote:

Yes, everyone does that INCLUDING ME. BUT PLEASE READ! 

THEORETICALY DRAWN POSITIONS 

look at the game please. You know, there is a rule, if your opponent has 'a' or 'h' pawn+ bishop which is opposite color of promoting square of the pawn and your king can reach that square, it is a draw, unless you are ... 

There is no such rule.  It is known that with correct play, the position is drawn.  However, under FIDE rules, if you run out of time, and your opponent can checkmate you by any series of legal moves, you lose.  One series of legal moves is to move your king away from the promotion square.  It's a stupid move, but it meets the definition of any series of legal moves.

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Oh boy, you meant on fide rule for a bishop and a pawn? grin.png Ok, now I'm having a hard laugh

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Preggo_Basashi wrote:

JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

 Isn't time management a very important part of the short games. I have seen Naka in his streams just play on to flag. Its all part of the fun.

Every GM that I've seen play regularly plays to flag in blitz. Just saying...

I agree. Every GM blitz game that I have seen goes to the flag. Further, I have never seen a GM who lost on time a "theoretically won or drawn" game complain that his opponent should have resigned. I am really tired of players on this site complaining about their losing games that they should have won but their opponent should have resigned. Even worse, they defame their opponent's character for not resigning!!!! Incredible!!!! If they want to minimize the effect of time on their game play classical time controls with a 5 second delay, e.g., 40/150 d5, followed by 20/75 d5 etc. Even G60 d5 greatly reduces the effect of the time control on the player with the superior position. Too long? Even G30 d5 goes a long way in mitigating the problem. Just stop whining. Don't blame your opponent for your own disappointing result.

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I'm glad that you're having a good laugh, but here's the rule:  Note that it does not say mate has to be forced or that only the best moves have to be considered.  In your position, all that your opponent has to show is a series of moves where you move your king away from the promotion square and he promotes his pawn.

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Except where one of Articles 5.1.1, 5.1.2, 5.2.1, 5.2.2, 5.2.3 applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by that player. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.

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woton wrote:

I'm glad that you're having a good laugh, but here's the rule:  Note that it does not say mate has to be forced or that only the best moves have to be considered.  In your position, all that your opponent has to show is a series of moves where you move your king away from the promotion square and he promotes his pawn.

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Except where one of Articles 5.1.1, 5.1.2, 5.2.1, 5.2.2, 5.2.3 applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by that player. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.

With 10.2 you can claim your opponent isn't trying to win by normal means (trying to flag) and the arbiter may declare the game drawn.

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But like I said earlier, that's why 3 minute time control has a separate rating, and in any case no one takes an online blitz rating more seriously than an OTB rating.

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rmanthony wrote:

 Don't play by an agreed set of rules then whine when you lose according to the rules you agreed to.

That should be on a plaque somewhere. Preferably where everyone can see it.

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Preggo_Basashi wrote:
 

With 10.2 you can claim your opponent isn't trying to win by normal means (trying to flag) and the arbiter may declare the game drawn.

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We need some opinions from arbiters on that one.  Is the player just wasting time or is he really trying to promote the pawn?  The arbiter has to decide

The USCF has a rule labeled "Insufficient losing chances" (FIDE has a similar rule that is optional).  With the use of digital clocks, time delays or increments, it's obsolete.  Under that rule, a player could claim a draw before the flag fell if he could convince the arbiter that the game was obviously drawn.

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woton wrote:

  Is the player just wasting time or is he really trying to promote the pawn? 

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In the OPs position that question doesn't apply. White shuffles the king a few times, and any arbiter would be able to see no progress can be made, so there is no such thing as trying to promote the pawn.

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oh boy. Your rating says more than your comments. Stop writing on this topic.

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 @slow_enough

Actually, I understand your frustration.  I play 30 minute games, and periodically I find myself having to make 50 aimless moves in an obviously drawn game.  Fortunately, in most games, I have plenty of time to make the moves, it's just boring.

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Enough with the insults, folks - I am now locking this thread.

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