Various Mates

I think your list Camter, is a much more modern list, which came from the very good book  "art of checkmate"

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Checkmate-Georges-Renaud/dp/0486201066

which perhaps was a very influential and instructive text.

but would have no relevance to the evolution of the rules of chess- which was very firmly established in 1962.

Nice list. Camter's mate?!!!

"camter's mate"

BTW,  not recommended googling cuz of its simiiarity to "camster"  and all that 'camster' Can mean.

camster sounds like scamster. Just kidding.

so... its not wrong to see this as a definitive statement about the stalemate

"The rule regarding stalemate first appeared in Europe in A. Saul's Famous Game of Chesse-Play, published in 1614.  In England, the player who gave stalemate lost the game.  In Italy and France stalemate counted as a draw.  In Spain and Portugal it counted as an inferior win (a half-win).  Some countries didn't even allow it.  Finally, in 1808, the London Chess Club laws gave stalemate as a draw and it has remained so ever since." per the chessopedia

https://www.chess.com/chessopedia/view/stalemate

In the 1600's it would be another couple hundred years before the stalemate was completely figured out.

hmm... I think it was bad decision to make stalemate as a draw. Stalemate should be a win for the side giving it. If black doesn't have any moves left, then its total zugzwang. I really don't see how this is not a clear win.

I think promotion also was also in a similar kind of confusion during that time, right? You could promote only to a piece whose square the pawn had reached, right?

Right.  there was definitely regional differences in the game for quite awhile.

but international tournaments meant there had to be a consensus so....

the game is all defined now.  don't be silly and expect any changes.  I imagine, if they play chess the next thousand years- it will still be the same rules.  oc, nobody will be able to beat the cyborgs and androids, so....

That's not quite accurate. Today a stalemate is treated as a draw, but it's not the same as a draw.  This book was published in London in 1614.  At that time in England a stalemate was treated as a win for the player who was satemated.   Throughout time, according to location, stalemates have been treated as a win for the side stalemating, a loss for the side stalemating, a draw or a non-game.

Far more complete  ----> Stalemate

A truly interesting mate that deserves a pedestal all its own, but it's not the Alexander's Mate mentioned, not only for anachronistic reasons, but also because it's not in the "corner of the field."

I'm curious about the origin of that English word. Isn't necessarily related to chess, it is? For I can see it translates as "paralysis", or "dead point". Still, it includes the "mate" part, which could lead to confusion.

I'm really more interested in the qualities associated with than a wiki list of the names of various mates. But thanks.

Weni, Widi, Wiki!

 you are one meticulous lady, batgirl.

thanks for the interesting read.

I'd written before: It's my understanding that the term Stale-Mate comes from combining the French word "estale," meaning "postion" and the word "mate" (Arabic "māta" --> French "mat").
How accurate that understanding might be is questionable.

I think you just crossed the Rubicon.

But isn't it used in other non chess related fields? For example, I once read the sentence "Thor needed both arms to stalemate Hulk's punch".

But it's probably usurped from chess.

Encroyable! Thanks.

What is copied and pasted from the internet? or do you always just talk off the top of your head?