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autobunny
darwinwasright wrote:

Koltanowski personally told me that he killed himself.  Alekhine just wasn't important enough to murder.

So he did an alekhine gun on his own throat with 3 torn pieces of steak? 

autobunny
darwinwasright wrote:
autobunny wrote:
darwinwasright wrote:

Koltanowski personally told me that he killed himself.  Alekhine just wasn't important enough to murder.

So he did an alekhine gun on his own throat with 3 torn pieces of steak? 

I told the forum what kolty told me.  trying to be funny about a tragic death even if 70+ years ago is immature.

No you told us more.  And the joke was on you, not alekhine. Stop projecting. 

autobunny
darwinwasright wrote:
autobunny wrote:
darwinwasright wrote:
autobunny wrote:
darwinwasright wrote:

Koltanowski personally told me that he killed himself.  Alekhine just wasn't important enough to murder.

So he did an alekhine gun on his own throat with 3 torn pieces of steak? 

I told the forum what kolty told me.  trying to be funny about a tragic death even if 70+ years ago is immature.

No you told us more.  And the joke was on you, not alekhine. Stop projecting. 

you are being an attention seeking autojerk grow up

Name calling when all else fails. OK. 

ChessieSystem101
cleosvaldo wrote:

The theory that the soviet kill him makes sense. After all, if Stalin kill ALL members of the original Central Comitee members of Bolshevik party (except himself and Lenin), why he wouldn't kill a chess player to make way for his players?

No comment

Optimissed

I told the forum what kolty told me. trying to be funny about a tragic death even if 70+ years ago is immature.>>

For crying out loud, lighten up.

JamieDelarosa

Speaking about "tragic" deaths and Soviets, Stalin was reportedly quoted as saying, "One death is a tragedy; a million deaths are a statistic."  Life was cheap to the Communists.

JogoReal

António de Oliveira Salazar interest in chess was a clear 0 (zero), Josef Stalin interest in chess was like what? In his last games Alekhine draw with people as notable as Perez, Frias and Lupi. Stalin was so worried...

JamieDelarosa
darwinwasright wrote:

Koltanowski personally told me that he killed himself.  Alekhine just wasn't important enough to murder.

I believe he told you that, but how would Koltanowski know?  He was on chess tour in Central America when the Nazis invaded Belgium, and avoided the Holocaust.  We can place him in NYC in 1944, where he met his future wife.  If he still had surviving contacts in Europe in 1946, his knowledge of Alekhine's death was hearsay.

JamieDelarosa
JogoReal wrote:

António de Oliveira Salazar interest in chess was a clear 0 (zero), Josef Stalin interest in chess was like what? In his last games Alekhine draw with people as notable as Perez, Frias and Lupi. Stalin was so worried...

The Soviets coveted the championship title for its propaganda value, and the Chekists in the government had a score to settle with the "traitor."  The immediate post-war political situation in Soviet-occupied  Europe was tense, especially Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and the Balkans.  Intrigue was everywhere

JogoReal

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1013633

Lupi even won a game to Alekhine in 1946. Francisco Lupi was an amateur, can't be compared with Botvinnik.

JamieDelarosa
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Okay, so maybe Kolty wasn't there.  The point is, he had it all memorized!

 

Greatest blindfold player of all time - outstanding memory

varelse1
JogoReal wrote:

Alekhine was never a politician or had a "political blog" or something. He was also easy to beat for the young generation of top GM, he was in poor health etc. He was almost an obscure and forgotten person. The world was moving fast to another big confrontation and he was not in cross-hairs. Hard to believe.

He actually did write several political articles during the Nazi occupation of France, wherein he claimed Jewish players were ruining the game of chess, with their cowardly playing styles.

Although Alekhine later denied writing these articles, the manuscripts for them were found in his apartment, after his death,

JogoReal
varelse1 escreveu:
JogoReal wrote:

Alekhine was never a politician or had a "political blog" or something. He was also easy to beat for the young generation of top GM, he was in poor health etc. He was almost an obscure and forgotten person. The world was moving fast to another big confrontation and he was not in cross-hairs. Hard to believe.

He actually did write several political articles during the Nazi occupation of France, wherein he claimed Jewish players were ruining the game of chess, with their cowardly playing styles.

Although Alekhine later denied writing these articles, the manuscripts for them were found in his apartment, after his death,

Maybe he wrote the articles. Or is it just one article? Anyway, if my memory is right, this is the first time I read about "the manuscripts for them were found in his apartment, after his death". In fact he died in an hotel room in Lisboa and at that time he had no house or apartment of his own.

autobunny

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/alekhine.html

autobunny
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Placed there no doubt by Jews!

Yes, Jewish players have indeed ruined the game of chess for the rest of us (with all their dastardly and insidious talent for it!).

especially orange jews.

JogoReal

From a historian perspective, there is no document, only one or two ancient testimonies saying they saw that kind of manuscript. Quoting from  your source "Although, as things stand, it is difficult to construct much of a defence for Alekhine, only the discovery of the articles in his own handwriting will settle the matter beyond all doubt."

It is known that he lived and worked (played chess) inside the Reich, maybe he wrote some articles into the Reich ideologies, but he denied it publicly.

JogoReal

Yes, seen from your perspective. And your hypothesis can't be excluded. My perspective is more like: we are in 1946, the II Great War ended and who is that guy in Lisboa? He looks like being 68 but he is 54 and the doctor gave him some months still to live with a liver sickness related to heavy drinking. He is an embarrassment for the world chess circus, what to do with him? The chess ambassadors can't agree on a solution...

JogoReal

From what I know of Alekhine he had only one true enemy in his life, and that was the Soviet State. He would be a collaborator to any political entity that promised to help bring the USSR state down and bring back the old Russian Empire. He belonged by ancestry to the old/very old Russian nobility.

JogoReal

The photo with the pieces in the start position was most probably composed by Francisco Lupi himself. The photo was taken by Luís Lupi, journalist correspondent of Associated Press and other international news agencies. Luís Lupi probably entered the room with his son Francisco Lupi. Apparently Francisco and his father did the setup to take the photos. The body was found by the barman and a garçon hours before. They used a master key to open the room, because it was closed by inside and Alekhine did not open at 11 a.m. He entered the room the day before around 23.00 and as usual asked for diner to be served at his room. Luís Lupi told that Alekhine still had a portion of meat in his hand when he found him. Alekhine used to eat with his hands using a cutlery when he was in public only. Francisco Lupi knew how to setup a board, he was a chess master and won and draw game with Alekhine in 1946, last year of Alekhine's life. Source:

Markl, Dagoberto L. (2001). Xeque-mate no Estoril. A morte de Alekhine. Porto: Campo de Letras (pp. 140-143).
autobunny
tuna-the-kahuna wrote:

why does a word describing a killing start with two asses ?

It's always been SS